Hi Usha Di. I also checked for the paper but sadly the journal is not published online. I will request our members if they can kindly provide a scanned copy of the paper for further reference.
Thanks Tanay On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Ushadi micromini <microminipho...@gmail.com>wrote: > > NO NO NO, > we will not stop this thread... > the issues are not resolved... > > First issue is "BLINDLY FOLLOWING THE PLANT LIST" > > I looked in the history of THE PLANT LIST yesterday (for a different > matter) > what I found has earned my respect... > > Its not a run by a flyby nite operation... nor is it a money grabbing > operation... > > Its a KEW and Missouri Botanical Garden joint venture... both places > are run by and staffed by > very scientific .. very correct, very studious, and top of the line > educated folks... both places... They even rate the names as accepted > on basis of percentage acceptability, which I thought was very > honest.... > > > MOST OF US including you mr. HS will do well to start following the > PLANT list as a basis.... > then... BASIC RESEARCH HAS its place... > let the professors of BOTANY and Taxonomy figure out and publish... > > > SECOND ISSUE IS CAN I GET A PDF OF THIS PAPER: Kosteletzkya vitifolia > (L.) M.R.Almeida & N.Patil J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc.93: 111 1996 ... > which is at the heart of this argument... cant find it on the net... > > Thanks Usha di > ========== > > > > On Sep 9, 3:25 pm, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > no problem sirji... i do not have any problem you calling it Hibiscus > > vitifolia... > > but i willl follow what i feel is correct.. > > > > ok.. here we shall stop discussion about this post.. > > > > regards,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Dear H S > > > > > Please don't make comments like ......all the members are just blindly > > > following the Plant list or other sites for identification of plants. > > > > > There are many well informed members on the group, who can apply their > > > judgement in deciding what is correct. We have learnt to respect each > member > > > and expect you to follow the same for the sake of this group. Just for > your > > > information the following databases treat Hibiscus vitifolius as the > > > accepted name: > > > > >http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI > > > > >http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?19104 > > > > >http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2850698 > > > > >http://www.eol.org/pages/584775/overview > > > > >http://www.jstor.org/pss/4120636 > > > > > > http://www.mozambiqueflora.com/speciesdata/species.php?species_id=139680 > > > > >http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/bd/cjb/africa/details.php?langue=an&id. > .. > > > > > These are just a few recent ones. Tanay gave you a valid reason, but if > you > > > still insist that others are wrong, perhaps we may not be able to do > any > > > thing. > > > I request again, let us discuss, agree or disagree, but don't > treat > > > others as if they don't know any thing. Let us devote our energies > towards > > > helping members to know their plants. > > > > > -- > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > > Retired Associate Professor > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:06 PM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> Dear all, > > >> Apologise if i have hurted anyones sentiments... ... > > > > >> and my knowledge is like a drop in a big jar of Dr. Singh and many > others > > >> on group. > > > > >> though i am proud that whatever i have learnt is in a right > direction... > > >> i dont want to pick wrong things from The Plant List... for eg.. > suppose > > >> Kosteletzkya vitifolia name is unresolved because it doesnt have > basionym in > > >> original publication... that doesnt mean that Hibiscus vitifolia > becames the > > >> correct name... instead of making Kosteletzkya vitifolia valid by new > > >> publication or in newly fresh combination with valid publication,,,, > or it > > >> has to put on discussion.... all the members are just blindly > following the > > >> Plant list or other sites for identification of plants... > > > > >> We should not forget the purpose of the group... > > > > >> my intention is just contribute to group for bringing plants valid > correct > > >> name in front of the world.. > > > > >> regards, > > > > >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Tanay Bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > > >>> This what ICBN Vienna Code 2006 Article 33.5 states > > > > >>> "33.5. For names published on or after 1 January 1953, errors in the > > >>> citation of the basionym or replaced synonym, including incorrect > author > > >>> citation (Art. 46 < > http://ibot.sav.sk/icbn/frameset/0050Ch4Sec3a046.htm>), > > >>> but not omissions (Art. 33.4< > http://ibot.sav.sk/icbn/frameset/0037Ch4Sec2a033.htm#33.4.>), > > >>> do not preclude valid publication of a new combination, new generic > name > > >>> with a basionym, or nomen novum." > > > > >>> Tanay > > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Tanay Bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > > >>>> Dear H.S Ji. > > >>>> I appreciate your knowledge in plant but I think your way of > > >>>> reciprocating > > >>>> to senior colleagues of the group is not quite O.K for me. In > scientific > > >>>> community > > >>>> if you are vehemently protesting some ideas then you should have a > > >>>> strong evidence > > >>>> for it. It not us who makes these nomenclatural changes but the > credit > > >>>> goes to ICBN. > > >>>> Kosteletzkya vitifolia (L.) M.R.Almeida & N.Patil J. Bombay Nat. > Hist. > > >>>> Soc. 93: 111 1996 > > >>>> is an unresolved name the reason for it is the absence of basionym > in > > >>>> the publication. > > >>>> Hence, the new nomenclatural change doesn't make any effect and the > old > > >>>> name or the > > >>>> basionym i.e. Hibiscus vitifolius L. stays as the the legitimate > name. > > >>>> Kindly go through the link provided below. > > > > >>>>http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2334897 > > > > >>>> As a moderator of the group I will request you to be cordial with > fellow > > >>>> members of the > > >>>> group. Though identification of plant is the main aim of our group > but > > >>>> we always make sure > > >>>> that the interaction within the group stays soothing and peaceful. > No > > >>>> comments from > > >>>> any members of the group should hurt the sentiments of others. I > will > > >>>> request you to kindly > > >>>> stick to the group norm and try to help help members > > >>>> with identification in a bit cordial > > >>>> manner. Your knowledge in taxonomy is an asset to the group hence we > > >>>> will always look > > >>>> to get our knowledge refreshed from your ideas. > > >>>> forward > > > > >>>> Thanks > > >>>> Tanay > > > > >>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:21 PM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>> this plant doesnt comes under genus Hibiscus.... its different. > > > > >>>>> regards, > > > > >>>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Gurcharan Singh < > singh...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > >>>>>> Both GRIN and The Plant List treat Hibiscus vitifolius L. as the > > >>>>>> accepted name. > > > > >>>>>> -- > > > > >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor > > >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:25 AM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> i think Kosteletzkya vitifolia (L.) M.R.Almeida & N.Patil > > >>>>>>> is correct name for this plant. > > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar < > > >>>>>>> le...@rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> Involucral bracts are not forked and calyx is not > prickly/bristly. > > >>>>>>>> Note the nodding corolla also. This is hence not H. radiatus but > > >>>>>>>> Fioria vitifolia. Regards, Shrikant > > > > >>>>>>>> On Sep 7, 12:11 pm, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > More shots of leaves and epicalyx should be helpful. To me it > does > > >>>>>>>> not look > > >>>>>>>> > like H. radiatus. > > > > >>>>>>>> > -- > > >>>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >>>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor > > >>>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > >>>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > >>>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >>>>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > >>>>>>>> > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Narendra Joshi < > > >>>>>>>> narend...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > Hibiscus radiatus > > > > >>>>>>>> > > -- > > >>>>>>>> > > With Regards, > > >>>>>>>> > > Narendra Joshi- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>> > - Show quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> - H.S. > > > > >>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere > > >>>>>>> heart of stone > > > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> - H.S. > > > > >>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere > heart > > >>>>> of stone > > > > >>>> -- > > >>>> *Tanay Bose* > > >>>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. > > >>>> Department of Botany. > > >>>> University of British Columbia . > > >>>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. > > >>>> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) > > >>>> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) > > >>>> 604-822-2019 (Lab) > > >>>> 604-822-6089 (Fax) > > >>>> ta...@interchange.ubc.ca > > >>>> *Webpages:* > > >>>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html > > >>>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html > > >>>>https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ > > > > >>> -- > > >>> *Tanay Bose* > > >>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. > > >>> Department of Botany. > > >>> University of British Columbia . > > >>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. > > >>> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) > > >>> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) > > >>> 604-822-2019 (Lab) > > >>> 604-822-6089 (Fax) > > >>> ta...@interchange.ubc.ca > > >>> *Webpages:* > > >>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html > > >>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html > > >>>https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ > > > > >> -- > > >> - H.S. > > > > >> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere > heart of > > >> stone > > > > -- > > - H.S. > > > > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart > of > > stone > -- *Tanay Bose* Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. Department of Botany. University of British Columbia . 3529-6270 University Blvd. Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) 604-822-2019 (Lab) 604-822-6089 (Fax) ta...@interchange.ubc.ca *Webpages:* http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/
