You are welcome Ushadi Ji. We all make mistakes and learn from them too. I have had my share of them. Regards Yazdy.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:27 PM, ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Yadji ji: good questions are always welcome... > > but angry outbursts must be avoided... because often they are insulting and > counter productive...esp when such forums are essentially time and word > limited... conversations are sort of in shorthand.. where we only know > each other thru 2 or 3 sentences that we write in the threads...that's when > great care needs to be exerted in expressing oneself... > > we all make faux pas ..or bigger mistakes ... but should not be insulting or > angry outbursts... its also a question of style of expression... here in > this case end result turned out good because of forbearance of Gurucharanji > and Gargji. and some other moderators... perhaps you too... > > Gurucharanji is a teacher thru and thru... he would not let go of teaching > and turn his back on a question... even when I think he felt hurt... and > Gargji who kept his cool and helped me stay put... > > > Thanks for your help and the above story... > Usha di > > > ============ > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Friends, >> This morning as I went through the thread, I was reminded of so many >> encounters with my ex employer (my uncle, also a Palia, who was the >> pioneer of Asbestos textiles in India). He would create so much >> confusion and give us all hell. At the end of it, the matter would >> become so clear, none of us would ever forget what we had learned at >> the time. Not that anyone here had created confusion, just reminded me >> of those days. >> Having said that, I think a lot of us could take a little more care, >> communication then becomes such a pleasure. Not that the interactions >> were not interesting. >> During an interaction between a French and an American, the American >> stated jokingly, Oh! the French are nothing but hot air. The French >> replied, "My friend, your automobile wheels are full of air too, how >> much more comfortable it makes your travel". >> Regards >> Yazdy. >> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Yes Ushadi >> > It is bad practice to do self praise, but I was going to write to Garg >> > ji to >> > put this thread prominently on our group, for reasons more than one and >> > it >> > also proves the statement I once made about our group "eForum of Indian >> > Taxonomic Research". Many things I learnt myself while trying to go to >> > the >> > bottom of the fact that no one cites the name Kosteletzkya vitifolia, >> > whereas Kosteletzkya is a well recognised genus. Thanks ultimately I was >> > able to dig out the cause. >> > -- >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > Retired Associate Professor >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:00 PM, ushadi Micromini >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Gurucharanji: if HS agrees with you this lesson would stop... >> >> >> >> I sincerely wish HS a great thanks , because his questions that now we >> >> all >> >> are so much more enriched about several points, not the least of which >> >> is of >> >> Hibiscus vs Kostlezyka .. >> >> >> >> not that I wish for any anger/outbursts , but questions, honest >> >> scientific questions are good... >> >> and your answers are so thorough that they will teach non botanists >> >> equally... >> >> >> >> thanks again... I will bookmark this thread for all the valuable data >> >> it >> >> contains... >> >> >> >> Usha di >> >> ======= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dear H S >> >>> I think that was the fault. They ignored single seed diagnosis, >> >>> although >> >>> Kosteletzkya has strongly angular capsules: >> >>> Please read this on page 5 of this important thesis: >> >>> >> >>> http://mars.gmu.edu:8080/bitstream/1920/6003/1/Alexander_2010_Thesis.pdf >> >>> "Plants in the genus Kosteletzkya resemble members of the genus >> >>> Hibiscus >> >>> in floral >> >>> morphology but differ mainly in that each carpel contains a single >> >>> seed >> >>> as opposed to >> >>> multiple seeds (Bayer and Kubitzki, 2003)." >> >>> Please read this also: >> >>> http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Hibiscus/sections.php >> >>> "Genus Kosteletzkya (section Pentaspermum) (image gallery) >> >>> approaches Fioria in possessing winged or less commonly angled fruits, >> >>> and >> >>> approaches Malvavisceae in the cells of the fruit being single-seeded. >> >>> It >> >>> consists of 17 species [5], mostly from tropical America, and to a >> >>> lesser >> >>> extent, Africa, but also with species in the eastern USA, southern >> >>> Europe, >> >>> south west Asia, and Malesia. However some species >> >>> of Kosteletzkya fall into >> >>> the 8th group" >> >>> P S: since all species of Fioria are now merged back to Hibiscus, >> >>> shows >> >>> that angled or winged fruit is not singly a distinguishing character >> >>> of >> >>> Kosteletzkya, whereas the single seeded character is! >> >>> http://www.malvaceae.info/Literature/Sprague/Malvaceae.html >> >>> TRIBE IV. HIBISCEÆ [21], Endl. (excl. Malvaviscus). – Carpels as many >> >>> as >> >>> the stigmas, 3–10 (usually 5), combined into a loculicidal >> >>> few–many-seeded >> >>> (or rarely indehiscent) capsule; the dissepiments borne on the middle >> >>> of the >> >>> valves. Column antheriferous for a great part of its length, naked and >> >>> 5-toothed at the apex. >> >>> >> >>> Cells of the ovary uniovulate. Involucel polyphyllous. >> >>> >> >>> KOSTELETZKYA. (Plate 132.) Capsule depressed, 5-celled, 5-seeded. >> >>> DECASCHISTIA, Wight & Arn. India [22]. >> >>> >> >>> Cells of the ovary 2–many ovulate. Involucel 3–polyphyllous. >> >>> >> >>> THESPESIA, Correa. Tropical Asia and Oceanica. >> >>> SERRÆA, Cav. (Senra, DC. [23]) Arabia and Egypt. >> >>> FUGOSIA [24], Juss. Tropical America and Africa.d >> >>> ABELMOSCHUS, Medik. Tropical Asia and America [25]. >> >>> HIBISCUS. (Plate 133.) Involucel polyphyllous. Calyx persistent, not >> >>> spathaceous. Capsule 5-celled, 5-valved; the cells few–many-seeded. >> >>> GOSSYPIUM, Linn. Tropical Asia and Africa [26]. >> >>> >> >>> Cells of the ovary 4–6 ovulate. Involucel minute, or none [27]. >> >>> >> >>> LAGUNARIA, Don. Norfolk Island [28]. >> >>> LAGUNEA [29], Cav. Tropical Asia and Africa. >> >>> >> >>> I think above information should convince you. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >>> Retired Associate Professor >> >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:21 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thank you Sirji for explaination.. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> but what about Dr. Almeida and N. Patil, explaination in paper about >> >>>> Kosteletzkya is restricted to angular capsule and not to single >> >>>> seed.. >> >>>> please if you can clear my doubt. >> >>>> regards. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Dinesh Valke >> >>>> <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ... salutes Gurcharan ji for taking efforts to dig into papers and >> >>>>> at >> >>>>> the reputed sites ... many thanks for the clear analysis. >> >>>>> Regards. >> >>>>> Dinesh >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Giby Kuriakose >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Very interesting and authentic explanation to the discussion. Thank >> >>>>>> you sir for the same. >> >>>>>> This would be the simplest of such kind of explanations that I ever >> >>>>>> come across. >> >>>>>> I think this would clears the doubt. I never knew that there were >> >>>>>> such >> >>>>>> a complicated matter behind this species. >> >>>>>> This is a wonderful learning as well. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Regards >> >>>>>> Giby >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 12 September 2011 16:31, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Let us understand some basics >> >>>>>>> Although the name of Hibiscus vitifolius is clearly mentioned in >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> paper, it does not fulfill the basic requirement (for >> >>>>>>> publications after >> >>>>>>> 1955 as informed by Tanay). The basionym on which the combination >> >>>>>>> is based >> >>>>>>> should be written immediately after the combination suggested, >> >>>>>>> which the >> >>>>>>> authors have not done. Pl. see the IPNI record: >> >>>>>>> http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=991056-1 >> >>>>>>> Please note another interesting thing (although it should not >> >>>>>>> disqualify the combination). While making the combination authors >> >>>>>>> should >> >>>>>>> have changed vitifolius to vitifolia, which unfortunately they >> >>>>>>> have not >> >>>>>>> done. >> >>>>>>> Even if we think that combination is valid, let us understand that >> >>>>>>> this combination was made in 1996, and let us see how recent >> >>>>>>> publications >> >>>>>>> treat this taxon: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/bd/cjb/africa/details.php?langue=an&id=81495 >> >>>>>>> status 2009 >> >>>>>>> http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI >> >>>>>>> based on >> >>>>>>> GRIN status >> >>>>>>> 9/5/2011 >> >>>>>>> http://www.jstor.org/pss/4120636 >> >>>>>>> Kew >> >>>>>>> Bull., 2003 >> >>>>>>> http://www.eol.org/pages/584775/names >> >>>>>>> EOL Annual >> >>>>>>> Checklist >> >>>>>>> 2010 >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> http://www.mozambiqueflora.com/speciesdata/species.php?species_id=139680 >> >>>>>>> 4/7/2011 >> >>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/photosofsrilanka/4348195473/ >> >>>>>>> Jan 2010 >> >>>>>>> http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/ProductDetail.do? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> D7=0&N5=SEARCH_CONCAT_PNO|BRAND_KEY&N4=G1036|SIGMA&N25=0&QS=ON&F=SPEC >> >>>>>>> 2011 >> >>>>>>> It would be interesting to know any recent publication which >> >>>>>>> recognises Kosteletzkya vitifolia as accepted name. >> >>>>>>> Interesting Hibiscus vitifolius is an African plant described in >> >>>>>>> most >> >>>>>>> African and South American Floras. It is also true that genus >> >>>>>>> Kosteletzkya >> >>>>>>> is recognised as disctinct. The million dollar question is >> >>>>>>> if Kosteletzkya >> >>>>>>> vitifolia combination published in BNHS is not valid and species >> >>>>>>> really >> >>>>>>> belongs to this genus Kostelzkya, why no author has published a >> >>>>>>> valid >> >>>>>>> combination (or name) for this so common a plant, which many had >> >>>>>>> published >> >>>>>>> as Fioria vitifolia (now merged back into Hibiscus). >> >>>>>>> My simple conclusion is that perhaps Almeida and Patil were wrong >> >>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>> assigning Hibiscus vitifolia L. to genus Kostelzkya. The genus is >> >>>>>>> separated >> >>>>>>> from Hibiscus in having single ovule (and seed) in each locule, >> >>>>>>> whereas >> >>>>>>> Hibiscus vitifolius has 2-4 per locule as a rule. I think here >> >>>>>>> lies the >> >>>>>>> answer. This leaves the validity of combination made by Almeida >> >>>>>>> and Patil >> >>>>>>> without much meaning. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >> >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:59 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks Balkar ji for uploading the paper.... >> >>>>>>>> Hope atleast some member should understand the position of H. >> >>>>>>>> vitifolia >> >>>>>>>> for people who think that i am against The Plant List... pls note >> >>>>>>>> that, I never said dont follow The plant List... i said dont >> >>>>>>>> follow blindly, >> >>>>>>>> no doubt its a latest publication on Plant taxonomy of the World >> >>>>>>>> and its the >> >>>>>>>> best for the Nomenclature.. even i check the names on the site, >> >>>>>>>> but even i >> >>>>>>>> check them in literature to confirm it,,, but what i found is >> >>>>>>>> there are some >> >>>>>>>> mistakes in Indian plant,, or some species are not included which >> >>>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>> published at state level.... >> >>>>>>>> I do not know that The Plant List and the Missouri Botanical >> >>>>>>>> Garden >> >>>>>>>> had any Indian taxonomist consultant... >> >>>>>>>> except few, I think the group is lacking in good Indian plant >> >>>>>>>> taxonomist, , who are there in the country but unfortunately not >> >>>>>>>> the Group >> >>>>>>>> for discussion... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> regards, >> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Balkar Arya >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Dear all here is Paper >> >>>>>>>>> I have access to vol 1 to 100 of J of Bombay Natural History >> >>>>>>>>> society. >> >>>>>>>>> Pls feel free to ask any paper. I may take time top get them >> >>>>>>>>> converted in PDF format that the problem >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:21 PM, <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Dr. Sngh... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think you are right.. futile to react... but it needs to get >> >>>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>> the permanent record about How useful the plant list is and so >> >>>>>>>>>> that our >> >>>>>>>>>> members all refer to it or at least not object to it... >> >>>>>>>>>> I think its a wonderful resource... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Re: futile to react.... even in my medical college class we had >> >>>>>>>>>> some students who got degrees but did not get any learning... >> >>>>>>>>>> in Gujarati >> >>>>>>>>>> its called 'Bhanya pana ganya nahi... ie got certificates but >> >>>>>>>>>> did not learn >> >>>>>>>>>> to deal in life... or some such thing... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> se la vi... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I realize how difficult the taxonomy task is... before the >> >>>>>>>>>> human >> >>>>>>>>>> tumors/cancers well well defined and classified in the 50s and >> >>>>>>>>>> 60s ... it >> >>>>>>>>>> must have been a very difficult job for the doctors who were >> >>>>>>>>>> treating >> >>>>>>>>>> them... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also, the need to standardize plant names was driven home when >> >>>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>> started studying herbal medicine and then Ayurvedic medicine >> >>>>>>>>>> where there are >> >>>>>>>>>> sooo many vernacular names and sooo many conflicting names that >> >>>>>>>>>> its not >> >>>>>>>>>> funny... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> cheers is right.... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Goodnite.. >> >>>>>>>>>> Usha di >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> ======= >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On , Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > UshadiFor people like us who were struggling hard to prepare >> >>>>>>>>>> > lists of accepted names for decades now, the importance of >> >>>>>>>>>> > GRIN, The Plant >> >>>>>>>>>> > List and Sorting Plant Names is so dear. After the two >> >>>>>>>>>> > volumes of Index >> >>>>>>>>>> > Kewensis 1893 or so in which there were lists of accepted >> >>>>>>>>>> > names and >> >>>>>>>>>> > synonyms, we used to always hunt for accepted names as >> >>>>>>>>>> > subsequent >> >>>>>>>>>> > supplements every 5 years no distinction of of accepted names >> >>>>>>>>>> > were available >> >>>>>>>>>> > and we used to rely on regular upldates by Raizada, Rao, and >> >>>>>>>>>> > some me for >> >>>>>>>>>> > knowing recent name changes. It was only after nearly 100 >> >>>>>>>>>> > years that we had >> >>>>>>>>>> > GRIN as source of finding correct names (of mainly American >> >>>>>>>>>> > Plants) and now >> >>>>>>>>>> > that the Plant List is available (2010 onwards), listing all >> >>>>>>>>>> > published names >> >>>>>>>>>> > and recent accepted names, what more does the Botanical >> >>>>>>>>>> > community want. Only >> >>>>>>>>>> > those who have been doing hardcore research know the >> >>>>>>>>>> > importance of such >> >>>>>>>>>> > publications, and that too online. Agreed there are some >> >>>>>>>>>> > issues with >> >>>>>>>>>> > unresolved names, duplicity of names, but these constitute >> >>>>>>>>>> > not more than >> >>>>>>>>>> > 5-10 percent of names. I have been writting to the Managers >> >>>>>>>>>> > of the List >> >>>>>>>>>> > about errors and hope these would be solved soon, but to just >> >>>>>>>>>> > reject the >> >>>>>>>>>> > database, is something no serious researcher can think of. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > All of us can have our opinions on some things, but in >> >>>>>>>>>> > the >> >>>>>>>>>> > matter of names in our database, we can only rely on what is >> >>>>>>>>>> > the latest by >> >>>>>>>>>> > consensus. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > After reading this concluding statement, I think it is futile >> >>>>>>>>>> > to >> >>>>>>>>>> > react. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > "no problem sirji... i do not have any problem you >> >>>>>>>>>> > calling >> >>>>>>>>>> > it Hibiscus vitifolia... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > but i willl follow what i feel is correct.." >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > We will continue to do whatever is good for the welfare of >> >>>>>>>>>> > the >> >>>>>>>>>> > group. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > Cheers Usha di >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > . >> >>>>>>>>>> > -- >> >>>>>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >>>>>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor >> >>>>>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >>>>>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >>>>>>>>>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Ushadi micromini >> >>>>>>>>>> > [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > NO NO NO, >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > we will not stop this thread... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > the issues are not resolved... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > First issue is "BLINDLY FOLLOWING THE PLANT LIST" >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > I looked in the history of THE PLANT LIST yesterday (for a >> >>>>>>>>>> > different >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > matter) >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > what I found has earned my respect... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > Its not a run by a flyby nite operation... nor is it a money >> >>>>>>>>>> > grabbing >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > operation... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > Its a KEW and Missouri Botanical Garden joint venture... both >> >>>>>>>>>> > places >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > are run by and staffed by >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > very scientific .. very correct, very studious, and top of >> >>>>>>>>>> > the >> >>>>>>>>>> > line >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > educated folks... both places... They even rate the names as >> >>>>>>>>>> > accepted >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > on basis of percentage acceptability, which I thought was >> >>>>>>>>>> > very >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > honest.... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > MOST OF US including you mr. HS will do well to start >> >>>>>>>>>> > following >> >>>>>>>>>> > the >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > PLANT list as a basis.... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > then... BASIC RESEARCH HAS its place... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > let the professors of BOTANY and Taxonomy figure out and >> >>>>>>>>>> > publish... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > SECOND ISSUE IS CAN I GET A PDF OF THIS PAPER: Kosteletzkya >> >>>>>>>>>> > vitifolia >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > (L.) M.R.Almeida & N.Patil J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc.93: 111 >> >>>>>>>>>> > 1996 >> >>>>>>>>>> > ... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > which is at the heart of this argument... cant find it on the >> >>>>>>>>>> > net... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > Thanks Usha di >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > ========== >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > On Sep 9, 3:25 pm, H S [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > no problem sirji... i do not have any problem you calling >> >>>>>>>>>> > > it >> >>>>>>>>>> > > Hibiscus >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > vitifolia... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > but i willl follow what i feel is correct.. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > ok.. here we shall stop discussion about this post.. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > regards,, >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Gurcharan Singh >> >>>>>>>>>> > > [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > Dear H S >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > Please don't make comments like ......all the members >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > are >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > just blindly >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > following the Plant list or other sites for >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > identification >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > of plants. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > There are many well informed members on the group, who >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > can >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > apply their >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > judgement in deciding what is correct. We have learnt to >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > respect each member >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > and expect you to follow the same for the sake of this >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > group. Just for your >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > information the following databases treat Hibiscus >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > vitifolius as the >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > accepted name: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?19104 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2850698 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >http://www.eol.org/pages/584775/overview >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >http://www.jstor.org/pss/4120636 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >http://www.mozambiqueflora.com/speciesdata/species.php?species_id=139680 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/bd/cjb/africa/details.php?langue=an&id... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > These are just a few recent ones. Tanay gave you a valid >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > reason, but if you >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > still insist that others are wrong, perhaps we may not be >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > able to do any >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > thing. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > I request again, let us discuss, agree or disagree, >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > but >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > don't treat >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > others as if they don't know any thing. Let us devote our >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > energies towards >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > helping members to know their plants. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > -- >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > Retired Associate Professor >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:06 PM, H S [email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear all, >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Apologise if i have hurted anyones sentiments... ... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> and my knowledge is like a drop in a big jar of Dr. >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Singh >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> and many others >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> on group. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> though i am proud that whatever i have learnt is in a >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> right >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> direction... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> i dont want to pick wrong things from The Plant List... >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> for >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> eg.. suppose >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Kosteletzkya vitifolia name is unresolved because it >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> doesnt >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> have basionym in >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> original publication... that doesnt mean that Hibiscus >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> vitifolia becames the >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> correct name... instead of making Kosteletzkya vitifolia >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> valid by new >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> publication or in newly fresh combination with valid >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> publication,,,, or it >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> has to put on discussion.... all the members are just >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> blindly following the >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Plant list or other sites for identification of >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> plants... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> We should not forget the purpose of the group... >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> my intention is just contribute to group for bringing >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> plants valid correct >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> name in front of the world.. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> regards, >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Tanay Bose >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> [email protected]>wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> This what ICBN Vienna Code 2006 Article 33.5 states >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> "33.5. For names published on or after 1 January 1953, >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> errors in the >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> citation of the basionym or replaced synonym, including >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> incorrect author >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> citation (Art. 46 >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> http://ibot.sav.sk/icbn/frameset/0050Ch4Sec3a046.htm>), >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> but not omissions (Art. >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> 33.4http://ibot.sav.sk/icbn/frameset/0037Ch4Sec2a033.htm#33.4.>), >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> do not preclude valid publication of a new combination, >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> new generic name >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> with a basionym, or nomen novum." >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Tanay >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Tanay Bose >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> [email protected]>wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear H.S Ji. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I appreciate your knowledge in plant but I think your >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> way >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> reciprocating >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> to senior colleagues of the group is not quite O.K for >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> me. In scientific >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> community >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> if you are vehemently protesting some ideas then you >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> should have a >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> strong evidence >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for it. It not us who makes these nomenclatural >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> changes >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> but the credit >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> goes to ICBN. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Kosteletzkya vitifolia (L.) M.R.Almeida & N.Patil J. >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bombay Nat. Hist. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Soc. 93: 111 1996 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> is an unresolved name the reason for it is the absence >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> basionym in >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the publication. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Hence, the new nomenclatural change doesn't make any >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> effect and the old >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> name or the >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> basionym i.e. Hibiscus vitifolius L. stays as the the >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> legitimate name. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Kindly go through the link provided below. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2334897 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> As a moderator of the group I will request you to be >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> cordial with fellow >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> members of the >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> group. Though identification of plant is the main aim >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> our group but >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> we always make sure >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> that the interaction within the group stays soothing >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> peaceful. No >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> comments from >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> any members of the group should hurt the sentiments of >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> others. I will >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> request you to kindly >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> stick to the group norm and try to help help members >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> with identification in a bit cordial >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manner. Your knowledge in taxonomy is an asset to the >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> group hence we >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> will always look >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> to get our knowledge refreshed from your ideas. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> forward >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Thanks >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Tanay >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:21 PM, H S >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> [email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> this plant doesnt comes under genus Hibiscus.... its >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> different. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards, >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Gurcharan Singh >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Both GRIN and The Plant List treat Hibiscus >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> vitifolius >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> L. as the >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> accepted name. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Delhi-110007 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:25 AM, H S >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> i think Kosteletzkya vitifolia (L.) M.R.Almeida & >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> N.Patil >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> is correct name for this plant. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM, shrikant >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ingalhalikar >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Involucral bracts are not forked and calyx is not >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> prickly/bristly. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Note the nodding corolla also. This is hence not >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> H. >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> radiatus but >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Fioria vitifolia. Regards, Shrikant >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Sep 7, 12:11 pm, Gurcharan Singh >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > More shots of leaves and epicalyx should be >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > helpful. To me it does >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> not look >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > like H. radiatus. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > -- >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Delhi-110007 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Delhi-110018. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Narendra Joshi >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Hibiscus radiatus >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > -- >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > With Regards, >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Narendra Joshi- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> - H.S. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> affections, - a mere >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> heart of stone >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> - H.S. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> affections, >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> - a mere heart >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> of stone >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> *Tanay Bose* >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Department of Botany. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> University of British Columbia . >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Vancouver, B.C. 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