yes, Pankaj ji... take a hint you males of the species :) ...:)...
ha ha ha ha... usha di ===== (ps joke is on the bogey and engine... not on any of you, please do not be irate) ============= On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > I was going through Gurcharan sir's remark and I just wanted to add > some thing more. > Gender is a big issue in ICBN. > > According to ICBN, II:VII:2, Article 62.1. A generic name retains the > gender assigned by botanical tradition, irrespective of classical > usage or the author's original usage. A generic name without a > botanical tradition retains the gender assigned by its author (but see > Art. 62.4). > > For example, Punica granatum. Ideally Punica is of feminine gender, > "ending with 'a', hence the species name should have been 'granata', > but this name has been conserved because of its long usage. But the > question is, according to article 62.1 name should have retained the > gender assigned by botanical tradition irrespective of the usage by > author. Hence this goes against ICBN. > > Second example could be Quercus oblongata. Though the gender of genus > according to name is masculine, but classically they were treated as > feminine hence, the species name is feminine. > > For the understanding of a common person, if you go through ICBN ARTICLE > 62.1: > IF YOU NAME YOUR SON "RAMA" AND YOU DONT SAY IF IT WAS MALE OR FEMALE > THEN ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE IT WILL BE CONSIDERED FEMALE FOLLOWING > BOTANICAL TRADITION. VERY INTERESTINGLY LORD RAM FROM RAMAYAN IS OFTEN > REFEREED AS RAMA AND RAVAN AS RAVANA IN ENGLISH!! > > IN HINDI TRAIN AS RAILGADI IS FEMALE, ENGINE IS FEMALE, BUT THE > BOGGIES ARE MALE !! > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Sid <[email protected]> wrote: > > Very informative thread and Gurcharan sir nailed the answer. > > Haha... Pankaj, I think you are in a very confused state. It would take > 7+ > > years to figure out their secret code. and still more time to perfect it. > > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:43 PM, ushadi Micromini > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Pankaj ji: > >> Secret code? ha ha, > >> yes!!! haven't done a secret code since we were kids and had > balcony > >> or rooftop "caves" under old desks... in USA kids or their fathers build > >> tree houses... In Calcutta, my dad built us a rooftop desk cave... > >> > >> No, Pankaj, I was falling asleep I think... my fingers were on the > last > >> row..looks like.. > >> just slip of fingers...and not realising what it was I sent it... by > the > >> time I saw it was gibberish and removed it..it was too late... some of > you > >> must already have received it in email... > >> but its been removed from eflora thread I think... > >> I hope... > >> > >> the red fruit comments must have reached you by now!!!! > >> > >> Usha di > >> ====== > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> what was that :), abusing some one with a secret code !!! just > >>> kidding.... > >>> Its like here HK, I never know if others are abusing or praising... > >>> Pankaj > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:26 PM, ushadi Micromini > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > xbvcb > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Bhatt Sweta <[email protected]> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Ya and Ushadi, just like you i have copied in word document... > >>> >> > >>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:32 PM, ushadi Micromini > >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Dear Sweta: Yes it has been a satisfying thread ... > >>> >>> Usha di > >>> >>> == > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:24 PM, ushadi Micromini > >>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Dear Pankaj ji , Dineshji and Gurcharanji; I must say ..Respected > >>> >>>> Gurcharanji: > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Thank you individually and collectively for answering my > question... > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> As i wrote the questions, I knew it.. I would get my complete > answer > >>> >>>> here at this forum... and no where else... > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> I am copy pasting these answers in a word file to keep it handy... > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Usha di > >>> >>>> ========= > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Bhatt Sweta < > [email protected]> > >>> >>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> very informative thread indeed... > >>> >>>>> Thanks Gurucharan Sir and Pankajji > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Dinesh Valke > >>> >>>>> <[email protected]> > >>> >>>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> Many many many thanks Pankaj and Gurcharan ji. > >>> >>>>>> Regards. > >>> >>>>>> Dinesh > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Pankaj Kumar > >>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>> >>>>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> Guru is always a guru :)... > >>> >>>>>>> Thanks for adding more info.... > >>> >>>>>>> I was not sure about this "ites" thing. > >>> >>>>>>> Pankaj > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>> >>>>>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>>> > To add to what Pankaj ji has written > >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, a specific epithet in adjective form (since > >>> >>>>>>> > Osmunda > >>> >>>>>>> > generic > >>> >>>>>>> > name is in feminine form), may take form of claytonianum (if > >>> >>>>>>> > attached to a > >>> >>>>>>> > neuter genus) and claytonianus (if attached to masculine > genus) > >>> >>>>>>> > claytonii, a noun in possessive form, will remain unchanged > >>> >>>>>>> > from > >>> >>>>>>> > genus to > >>> >>>>>>> > genus; -ii for all names ending in consonant, -i for names > >>> >>>>>>> > ending > >>> >>>>>>> > in vowel > >>> >>>>>>> > (roylei for Royle), -e for those ending in a- (senguptae for > >>> >>>>>>> > Sengupta), etc > >>> >>>>>>> > cyatoniites here signifies two things, one it is like O. > >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, and > >>> >>>>>>> > second more important it is a name for a fossil. ending -ites > >>> >>>>>>> > is > >>> >>>>>>> > commonly > >>> >>>>>>> > used for fossil taxa. > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > -- > >>> >>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>> >>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor > >>> >>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>> >>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>> >>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>> >>>>>>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Pankaj Kumar > >>> >>>>>>> > <[email protected]> > >>> >>>>>>> > wrote: > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> Respected Usha Mam and Dinesh sir > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana means "like Clayton". Its an adjective of > >>> >>>>>>> >> "Clayton". > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytonii means "of Clayton". Clayton is used as a Noun, > >>> >>>>>>> >> saying > >>> >>>>>>> >> the > >>> >>>>>>> >> specimen that belonged to Clayton or collected by Clayton. > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniites means "looking like claytoniana" or if we take > >>> >>>>>>> >> the > >>> >>>>>>> >> whole > >>> >>>>>>> >> plant name then it means looking specifically like Osmunda > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana. > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> Please attached my pic of Osmunda claytoniana from Himachal > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pradesh, > >>> >>>>>>> >> just before Rohtang Pass. > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar > >>> >>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>> >>>>>>> >> > From: Ushadi micromini <[email protected]> > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Date: Oct 11, 2:15 pm > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Subject: what is the significance of the difference in the > >>> >>>>>>> >> > names > >>> >>>>>>> >> > of > >>> >>>>>>> >> > this fern:???? > >>> >>>>>>> >> > To: efloraofindia > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Neha ji... > >>> >>>>>>> >> > yes UBC folks have good pictures... > >>> >>>>>>> >> > by the way... its not my doing... > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I only asked a question about THEIR photograph > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I thought i was clear ... > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I sent in a url only.... > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I am just a messenger who is asking a question.. > >>> >>>>>>> >> > not the maker of the photo...I wish I was... > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Usha di > >>> >>>>>>> >> > === > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > On Oct 10, 7:57 pm, Neha Singh <[email protected]> > >>> >>>>>>> >> > wrote: > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Yess Brilliant photograpny Usha di ! > >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Regards > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Neha Singh > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> -- > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> > ********************************************************************** > >>> >>>>>>> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >>> >>>>>>> >> Conservation Officer > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> Office: > >>> >>>>>>> >> Flora Conservation Department > >>> >>>>>>> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > >>> >>>>>>> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> Residence: > >>> >>>>>>> >> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > >>> >>>>>>> >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >> email: [email protected] > >>> >>>>>>> >> [email protected] > >>> >>>>>>> >> [email protected] > >>> >>>>>>> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > >>> >>>>>>> >> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> -- > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> > ********************************************************************** > >>> >>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >>> >>>>>>> Conservation Officer > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> Office: > >>> >>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department > >>> >>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > >>> >>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> Residence: > >>> >>>>>>> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > >>> >>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> email: [email protected] > >>> >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>> >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>> >>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > >>> >>>>>>> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> -- > >>> >>>>> Bhatt Shweta > >>> >>>>> Doctoral Research Student, > >>> >>>>> M.S.U. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Bhatt Shweta > >>> >> Doctoral Research Student, > >>> >> M.S.U. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ********************************************************************** > >>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > >>> > >>> > >>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >>> Conservation Officer > >>> > >>> Office: > >>> Flora Conservation Department > >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> > >>> Residence: > >>> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > >>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> > >>> email: [email protected] > >>> [email protected] > >>> [email protected] > >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > >>> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) > >> > > > > > > > > -- > ********************************************************************** > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > Conservation Officer > > Office: > Flora Conservation Department > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > Residence: > 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > email: [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) >
