Yes there are some exception, but majority (say in Manual of Trees by A Rehder) follow the feminity rule.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > What about Oroxylum indicum, Phoenix sylvestris, Pterospermum > acerifolium, Dimocarpus longan!! :) > > Its very tricky as both options are there. A tree should be female > according to botanical latin, but at the same time it can be male if > the name doesnt follow the botanical tradition and author calls it > male!! > > Pankaj > > > > On Oct 12, 9:52 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > yes > > Quercus (Q. dilatata, Q. acuminata), Prunus (P. persica, P. armeniaca), > > Pinus (Pinus alba, P. africana) are all feminine because they are trees, > and > > in classical Latin, tree is treated as feminine. Perhaps all trees are > > feminine, irrespective of the ending of the generic name. > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was going through Gurcharan sir's remark and I just wanted to add > > > some thing more. > > > Gender is a big issue in ICBN. > > > > > According to ICBN, II:VII:2, Article 62.1. A generic name retains the > > > gender assigned by botanical tradition, irrespective of classical > > > usage or the author's original usage. A generic name without a > > > botanical tradition retains the gender assigned by its author (but see > > > Art. 62.4). > > > > > For example, Punica granatum. Ideally Punica is of feminine gender, > > > "ending with 'a', hence the species name should have been 'granata', > > > but this name has been conserved because of its long usage. But the > > > question is, according to article 62.1 name should have retained the > > > gender assigned by botanical tradition irrespective of the usage by > > > author. Hence this goes against ICBN. > > > > > Second example could be Quercus oblongata. Though the gender of genus > > > according to name is masculine, but classically they were treated as > > > feminine hence, the species name is feminine. > > > > > For the understanding of a common person, if you go through ICBN > ARTICLE > > > 62.1: > > > IF YOU NAME YOUR SON "RAMA" AND YOU DONT SAY IF IT WAS MALE OR FEMALE > > > THEN ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE IT WILL BE CONSIDERED FEMALE FOLLOWING > > > BOTANICAL TRADITION. VERY INTERESTINGLY LORD RAM FROM RAMAYAN IS OFTEN > > > REFEREED AS RAMA AND RAVAN AS RAVANA IN ENGLISH!! > > > > > IN HINDI TRAIN AS RAILGADI IS FEMALE, ENGINE IS FEMALE, BUT THE > > > BOGGIES ARE MALE !! > > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Sid <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Very informative thread and Gurcharan sir nailed the answer. > > > > Haha... Pankaj, I think you are in a very confused state. It would > take > > > 7+ > > > > years to figure out their secret code. and still more time to perfect > it. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:43 PM, ushadi Micromini > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Pankaj ji: > > > >> Secret code? ha ha, > > > >> yes!!! haven't done a secret code since we were kids and had > > > balcony > > > >> or rooftop "caves" under old desks... in USA kids or their fathers > build > > > >> tree houses... In Calcutta, my dad built us a rooftop desk > cave... > > > > > >> No, Pankaj, I was falling asleep I think... my fingers were on the > > > last > > > >> row..looks like.. > > > >> just slip of fingers...and not realising what it was I sent it... > by > > > the > > > >> time I saw it was gibberish and removed it..it was too late... some > of > > > you > > > >> must already have received it in email... > > > >> but its been removed from eflora thread I think... > > > >> I hope... > > > > > >> the red fruit comments must have reached you by now!!!! > > > > > >> Usha di > > > >> ====== > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Pankaj Kumar < > [email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>> what was that :), abusing some one with a secret code !!! just > > > >>> kidding.... > > > >>> Its like here HK, I never know if others are abusing or praising... > > > >>> Pankaj > > > > > >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:26 PM, ushadi Micromini > > > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > xbvcb > > > > > >>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Bhatt Sweta < > [email protected]> > > > >>> > wrote: > > > > > >>> >> Ya and Ushadi, just like you i have copied in word document... > > > > > >>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:32 PM, ushadi Micromini > > > >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >>> >>> Dear Sweta: Yes it has been a satisfying thread ... > > > >>> >>> Usha di > > > >>> >>> == > > > > > >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:24 PM, ushadi Micromini > > > >>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >>> >>>> Dear Pankaj ji , Dineshji and Gurcharanji; I must say > ..Respected > > > >>> >>>> Gurcharanji: > > > > > >>> >>>> Thank you individually and collectively for answering my > > > question... > > > > > >>> >>>> As i wrote the questions, I knew it.. I would get my complete > > > answer > > > >>> >>>> here at this forum... and no where else... > > > > > >>> >>>> I am copy pasting these answers in a word file to keep it > handy... > > > > > >>> >>>> Usha di > > > >>> >>>> ========= > > > > > >>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Bhatt Sweta < > > > [email protected]> > > > >>> >>>> wrote: > > > > > >>> >>>>> very informative thread indeed... > > > >>> >>>>> Thanks Gurucharan Sir and Pankajji > > > > > >>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Dinesh Valke > > > >>> >>>>> <[email protected]> > > > >>> >>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>> >>>>>> Many many many thanks Pankaj and Gurcharan ji. > > > >>> >>>>>> Regards. > > > >>> >>>>>> Dinesh > > > > > >>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Pankaj Kumar > > > >>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> > > > >>> >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> Guru is always a guru :)... > > > >>> >>>>>>> Thanks for adding more info.... > > > >>> >>>>>>> I was not sure about this "ites" thing. > > > >>> >>>>>>> Pankaj > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh > > > >>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > > >>> >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>> >>>>>>> > To add to what Pankaj ji has written > > > >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, a specific epithet in adjective form (since > > > >>> >>>>>>> > Osmunda > > > >>> >>>>>>> > generic > > > >>> >>>>>>> > name is in feminine form), may take form of claytonianum > (if > > > >>> >>>>>>> > attached to a > > > >>> >>>>>>> > neuter genus) and claytonianus (if attached to masculine > > > genus) > > > >>> >>>>>>> > claytonii, a noun in possessive form, will remain > unchanged > > > >>> >>>>>>> > from > > > >>> >>>>>>> > genus to > > > >>> >>>>>>> > genus; -ii for all names ending in consonant, -i for > names > > > >>> >>>>>>> > ending > > > >>> >>>>>>> > in vowel > > > >>> >>>>>>> > (roylei for Royle), -e for those ending in a- (senguptae > for > > > >>> >>>>>>> > Sengupta), etc > > > >>> >>>>>>> > cyatoniites here signifies two things, one it is like O. > > > >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, and > > > >>> >>>>>>> > second more important it is a name for a fossil. ending > -ites > > > >>> >>>>>>> > is > > > >>> >>>>>>> > commonly > > > >>> >>>>>>> > used for fossil taxa. > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > -- > > > >>> >>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > > >>> >>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor > > > >>> >>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > > >>> >>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > > >>> >>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > > >>> >>>>>>> >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Pankaj Kumar > > > >>> >>>>>>> > <[email protected]> > > > >>> >>>>>>> > wrote: > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Respected Usha Mam and Dinesh sir > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana means "like Clayton". Its an adjective of > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> "Clayton". > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytonii means "of Clayton". Clayton is used as a Noun, > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> saying > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> the > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> specimen that belonged to Clayton or collected by > Clayton. > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniites means "looking like claytoniana" or if we > take > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> the > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> whole > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> plant name then it means looking specifically like > Osmunda > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana. > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Please attached my pic of Osmunda claytoniana from > Himachal > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pradesh, > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> just before Rohtang Pass. > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > From: Ushadi micromini <[email protected]> > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Date: Oct 11, 2:15 pm > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Subject: what is the significance of the difference in > the > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > names > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > of > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > this fern:???? > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > To: efloraofindia > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Neha ji... > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > yes UBC folks have good pictures... > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > by the way... its not my doing... > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I only asked a question about THEIR photograph > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I thought i was clear ... > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I sent in a url only.... > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I am just a messenger who is asking a question.. > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > not the maker of the photo...I wish I was... > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Usha di > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > === > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > On Oct 10, 7:57 pm, Neha Singh < > [email protected]> > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > wrote: > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Yess Brilliant photograpny Usha di ! > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Regards > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Neha Singh > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> -- > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient > !!" > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Conservation Officer > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Office: > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Flora Conservation Department > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป
