Pankaj ji and Gurcharan ji: on a serious note though... I found this URL... http://ibot.sav.sk/icbn/no%20frames/0067Ch7OaGoNSec2a62.htm for ICBN codes etc... is it the one that you both are referring to? or is there a better site some where?
thanks... Usha di ======== On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:51 AM, ushadi Micromini <[email protected] > wrote: > aha.... Gurchranji and Pankaj ji: > > so my motto that I dreamt one nite a few years ago, ((when deep in serious > 18 hours a day study of Herbal and Ayurvedic plants...)): is apt and > "correct" by this tradition: > > (c) "Trees are our Mashima" .... > > trees are feminine, life supporting, caring, giving of oxygen, good aura... > and often nitrogen fixing, chlorophyll giving, and give us medicine, wood > to sit on and shelter us, leaf mulch to grow things again in, flowers to > marvel at etc etc... just like a MA or her substitute ,... a MASHi... you > can hug a tree get life sustaining good electromagnetic vibes... not a > myth... do it....try it.. I do ... makes a difference in the day... > > > I guess my brain just made it up in one drowsy (alpha brain wave > predominant ) moment... > but not totally my own either... since it may have come from some obscure > neuronal networks in my brain that connected some dots of known and > fantasized ideas... > > in gujarati there is a proverb that Harade (haritaki) is " na-ma ni ma" ... > na-ma = is a baby who has lost her/his mother, harade is her/his mother... > its so "gunakari" ... > > fun... > Usha di > ======= > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> yes >> Quercus (Q. dilatata, Q. acuminata), Prunus (P. persica, P. armeniaca), >> Pinus (Pinus alba, P. africana) are all feminine because they are trees, and >> in classical Latin, tree is treated as feminine. Perhaps all trees are >> feminine, irrespective of the ending of the generic name. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I was going through Gurcharan sir's remark and I just wanted to add >>> some thing more. >>> Gender is a big issue in ICBN. >>> >>> According to ICBN, II:VII:2, Article 62.1. A generic name retains the >>> gender assigned by botanical tradition, irrespective of classical >>> usage or the author's original usage. A generic name without a >>> botanical tradition retains the gender assigned by its author (but see >>> Art. 62.4). >>> >>> For example, Punica granatum. Ideally Punica is of feminine gender, >>> "ending with 'a', hence the species name should have been 'granata', >>> but this name has been conserved because of its long usage. But the >>> question is, according to article 62.1 name should have retained the >>> gender assigned by botanical tradition irrespective of the usage by >>> author. Hence this goes against ICBN. >>> >>> Second example could be Quercus oblongata. Though the gender of genus >>> according to name is masculine, but classically they were treated as >>> feminine hence, the species name is feminine. >>> >>> For the understanding of a common person, if you go through ICBN ARTICLE >>> 62.1: >>> IF YOU NAME YOUR SON "RAMA" AND YOU DONT SAY IF IT WAS MALE OR FEMALE >>> THEN ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE IT WILL BE CONSIDERED FEMALE FOLLOWING >>> BOTANICAL TRADITION. VERY INTERESTINGLY LORD RAM FROM RAMAYAN IS OFTEN >>> REFEREED AS RAMA AND RAVAN AS RAVANA IN ENGLISH!! >>> >>> IN HINDI TRAIN AS RAILGADI IS FEMALE, ENGINE IS FEMALE, BUT THE >>> BOGGIES ARE MALE !! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Sid <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Very informative thread and Gurcharan sir nailed the answer. >>> > Haha... Pankaj, I think you are in a very confused state. It would take >>> 7+ >>> > years to figure out their secret code. and still more time to perfect >>> it. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:43 PM, ushadi Micromini >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Pankaj ji: >>> >> Secret code? ha ha, >>> >> yes!!! haven't done a secret code since we were kids and had >>> balcony >>> >> or rooftop "caves" under old desks... in USA kids or their fathers >>> build >>> >> tree houses... In Calcutta, my dad built us a rooftop desk cave... >>> >> >>> >> No, Pankaj, I was falling asleep I think... my fingers were on the >>> last >>> >> row..looks like.. >>> >> just slip of fingers...and not realising what it was I sent it... by >>> the >>> >> time I saw it was gibberish and removed it..it was too late... some >>> of you >>> >> must already have received it in email... >>> >> but its been removed from eflora thread I think... >>> >> I hope... >>> >> >>> >> the red fruit comments must have reached you by now!!!! >>> >> >>> >> Usha di >>> >> ====== >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected] >>> > >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> what was that :), abusing some one with a secret code !!! just >>> >>> kidding.... >>> >>> Its like here HK, I never know if others are abusing or praising... >>> >>> Pankaj >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:26 PM, ushadi Micromini >>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > xbvcb >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Bhatt Sweta <[email protected] >>> > >>> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Ya and Ushadi, just like you i have copied in word document... >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:32 PM, ushadi Micromini >>> >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Sweta: Yes it has been a satisfying thread ... >>> >>> >>> Usha di >>> >>> >>> == >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:24 PM, ushadi Micromini >>> >>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> Dear Pankaj ji , Dineshji and Gurcharanji; I must say >>> ..Respected >>> >>> >>>> Gurcharanji: >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> Thank you individually and collectively for answering my >>> question... >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> As i wrote the questions, I knew it.. I would get my complete >>> answer >>> >>> >>>> here at this forum... and no where else... >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> I am copy pasting these answers in a word file to keep it >>> handy... >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> Usha di >>> >>> >>>> ========= >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Bhatt Sweta < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> very informative thread indeed... >>> >>> >>>>> Thanks Gurucharan Sir and Pankajji >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Dinesh Valke >>> >>> >>>>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Many many many thanks Pankaj and Gurcharan ji. >>> >>> >>>>>> Regards. >>> >>> >>>>>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Pankaj Kumar >>> >>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> Guru is always a guru :)... >>> >>> >>>>>>> Thanks for adding more info.... >>> >>> >>>>>>> I was not sure about this "ites" thing. >>> >>> >>>>>>> Pankaj >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>> >>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>> > To add to what Pankaj ji has written >>> >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, a specific epithet in adjective form (since >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Osmunda >>> >>> >>>>>>> > generic >>> >>> >>>>>>> > name is in feminine form), may take form of claytonianum >>> (if >>> >>> >>>>>>> > attached to a >>> >>> >>>>>>> > neuter genus) and claytonianus (if attached to masculine >>> genus) >>> >>> >>>>>>> > claytonii, a noun in possessive form, will remain unchanged >>> >>> >>>>>>> > from >>> >>> >>>>>>> > genus to >>> >>> >>>>>>> > genus; -ii for all names ending in consonant, -i for >>> names >>> >>> >>>>>>> > ending >>> >>> >>>>>>> > in vowel >>> >>> >>>>>>> > (roylei for Royle), -e for those ending in a- (senguptae >>> for >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Sengupta), etc >>> >>> >>>>>>> > cyatoniites here signifies two things, one it is like O. >>> >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, and >>> >>> >>>>>>> > second more important it is a name for a fossil. ending >>> -ites >>> >>> >>>>>>> > is >>> >>> >>>>>>> > commonly >>> >>> >>>>>>> > used for fossil taxa. >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > -- >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor >>> >>> >>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> >>> >>>>>>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Pankaj Kumar >>> >>> >>>>>>> > <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>>>>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Respected Usha Mam and Dinesh sir >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana means "like Clayton". Its an adjective of >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> "Clayton". >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> claytonii means "of Clayton". Clayton is used as a Noun, >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> saying >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> the >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> specimen that belonged to Clayton or collected by Clayton. >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniites means "looking like claytoniana" or if we >>> take >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> the >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> whole >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> plant name then it means looking specifically like Osmunda >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana. >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Please attached my pic of Osmunda claytoniana from >>> Himachal >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Pradesh, >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> just before Rohtang Pass. >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > From: Ushadi micromini <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > Date: Oct 11, 2:15 pm >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > Subject: what is the significance of the difference in >>> the >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > names >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > of >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > this fern:???? >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > To: efloraofindia >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > Neha ji... >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > yes UBC folks have good pictures... >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > by the way... its not my doing... >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > I only asked a question about THEIR photograph >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > I thought i was clear ... >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > I sent in a url only.... >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > I am just a messenger who is asking a question.. >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > not the maker of the photo...I wish I was... >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > Usha di >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > === >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > On Oct 10, 7:57 pm, Neha Singh <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Yess Brilliant photograpny Usha di ! >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Regards >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Neha Singh >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> -- >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> ********************************************************************** >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient >>> !!" >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Conservation Officer >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Office: >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Flora Conservation Department >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Residence: >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> email: [email protected] >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> [email protected] >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> [email protected] >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> ********************************************************************** >>> >>> >>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>> >>> >>>>>>> Conservation Officer >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> Office: >>> >>> >>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>> >>> >>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> >>> >>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> Residence: >>> >>> >>>>>>> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>> >>> >>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> email: [email protected] >>> >>> >>>>>>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>>>>>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >>> >>> >>>>>>> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>> >>>>> Bhatt Shweta >>> >>> >>>>> Doctoral Research Student, >>> >>> >>>>> M.S.U. >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> -- >>> >>> >> Bhatt Shweta >>> >>> >> Doctoral Research Student, >>> >>> >> M.S.U. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> ********************************************************************** >>> >>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>> >>> Conservation Officer >>> >>> >>> >>> Office: >>> >>> Flora Conservation Department >>> >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> >>> >>> Residence: >>> >>> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>> >>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> >>> >>> email: [email protected] >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >>> >>> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ********************************************************************** >>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>> >>> >>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>> Conservation Officer >>> >>> Office: >>> Flora Conservation Department >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> Residence: >>> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> email: [email protected] >>> [email protected] >>> [email protected] >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >>> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) >>> >> >> >> >> >
