Differently, in Hindi, trees are male!! :) Pankaj
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes there are some exception, but majority (say in Manual of Trees by A > Rehder) follow the feminity rule. > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> What about Oroxylum indicum, Phoenix sylvestris, Pterospermum >> acerifolium, Dimocarpus longan!! :) >> >> Its very tricky as both options are there. A tree should be female >> according to botanical latin, but at the same time it can be male if >> the name doesnt follow the botanical tradition and author calls it >> male!! >> >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> On Oct 12, 9:52 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > yes >> > Quercus (Q. dilatata, Q. acuminata), Prunus (P. persica, P. armeniaca), >> > Pinus (Pinus alba, P. africana) are all feminine because they are trees, >> > and >> > in classical Latin, tree is treated as feminine. Perhaps all trees are >> > feminine, irrespective of the ending of the generic name. >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > Retired Associate Professor >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Pankaj Kumar >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > I was going through Gurcharan sir's remark and I just wanted to add >> > > some thing more. >> > > Gender is a big issue in ICBN. >> > >> > > According to ICBN, II:VII:2, Article 62.1. A generic name retains the >> > > gender assigned by botanical tradition, irrespective of classical >> > > usage or the author's original usage. A generic name without a >> > > botanical tradition retains the gender assigned by its author (but see >> > > Art. 62.4). >> > >> > > For example, Punica granatum. Ideally Punica is of feminine gender, >> > > "ending with 'a', hence the species name should have been 'granata', >> > > but this name has been conserved because of its long usage. But the >> > > question is, according to article 62.1 name should have retained the >> > > gender assigned by botanical tradition irrespective of the usage by >> > > author. Hence this goes against ICBN. >> > >> > > Second example could be Quercus oblongata. Though the gender of genus >> > > according to name is masculine, but classically they were treated as >> > > feminine hence, the species name is feminine. >> > >> > > For the understanding of a common person, if you go through ICBN >> > > ARTICLE >> > > 62.1: >> > > IF YOU NAME YOUR SON "RAMA" AND YOU DONT SAY IF IT WAS MALE OR FEMALE >> > > THEN ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE IT WILL BE CONSIDERED FEMALE FOLLOWING >> > > BOTANICAL TRADITION. VERY INTERESTINGLY LORD RAM FROM RAMAYAN IS OFTEN >> > > REFEREED AS RAMA AND RAVAN AS RAVANA IN ENGLISH!! >> > >> > > IN HINDI TRAIN AS RAILGADI IS FEMALE, ENGINE IS FEMALE, BUT THE >> > > BOGGIES ARE MALE !! >> > >> > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Sid <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Very informative thread and Gurcharan sir nailed the answer. >> > > > Haha... Pankaj, I think you are in a very confused state. It would >> > > > take >> > > 7+ >> > > > years to figure out their secret code. and still more time to >> > > > perfect it. >> > >> > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:43 PM, ushadi Micromini >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> Pankaj ji: >> > > >> Secret code? ha ha, >> > > >> yes!!! haven't done a secret code since we were kids and had >> > > balcony >> > > >> or rooftop "caves" under old desks... in USA kids or their fathers >> > > >> build >> > > >> tree houses... In Calcutta, my dad built us a rooftop desk >> > > >> cave... >> > >> > > >> No, Pankaj, I was falling asleep I think... my fingers were on >> > > >> the >> > > last >> > > >> row..looks like.. >> > > >> just slip of fingers...and not realising what it was I sent it... >> > > >> by >> > > the >> > > >> time I saw it was gibberish and removed it..it was too late... >> > > >> some of >> > > you >> > > >> must already have received it in email... >> > > >> but its been removed from eflora thread I think... >> > > >> I hope... >> > >> > > >> the red fruit comments must have reached you by now!!!! >> > >> > > >> Usha di >> > > >> ====== >> > >> > > >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Pankaj Kumar >> > > >> <[email protected]> >> > > >> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> what was that :), abusing some one with a secret code !!! just >> > > >>> kidding.... >> > > >>> Its like here HK, I never know if others are abusing or >> > > >>> praising... >> > > >>> Pankaj >> > >> > > >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:26 PM, ushadi Micromini >> > > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >>> > xbvcb >> > >> > > >>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Bhatt Sweta >> > > >>> > <[email protected]> >> > > >>> > wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >> Ya and Ushadi, just like you i have copied in word document... >> > >> > > >>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:32 PM, ushadi Micromini >> > > >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >>> Dear Sweta: Yes it has been a satisfying thread ... >> > > >>> >>> Usha di >> > > >>> >>> == >> > >> > > >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:24 PM, ushadi Micromini >> > > >>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >>>> Dear Pankaj ji , Dineshji and Gurcharanji; I must say >> > > >>> >>>> ..Respected >> > > >>> >>>> Gurcharanji: >> > >> > > >>> >>>> Thank you individually and collectively for answering my >> > > question... >> > >> > > >>> >>>> As i wrote the questions, I knew it.. I would get my complete >> > > answer >> > > >>> >>>> here at this forum... and no where else... >> > >> > > >>> >>>> I am copy pasting these answers in a word file to keep it >> > > >>> >>>> handy... >> > >> > > >>> >>>> Usha di >> > > >>> >>>> ========= >> > >> > > >>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Bhatt Sweta < >> > > [email protected]> >> > > >>> >>>> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >>>>> very informative thread indeed... >> > > >>> >>>>> Thanks Gurucharan Sir and Pankajji >> > >> > > >>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Dinesh Valke >> > > >>> >>>>> <[email protected]> >> > > >>> >>>>> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>> Many many many thanks Pankaj and Gurcharan ji. >> > > >>> >>>>>> Regards. >> > > >>> >>>>>> Dinesh >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Pankaj Kumar >> > > >>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> >> > > >>> >>>>>> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> Guru is always a guru :)... >> > > >>> >>>>>>> Thanks for adding more info.... >> > > >>> >>>>>>> I was not sure about this "ites" thing. >> > > >>> >>>>>>> Pankaj >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh >> > > >>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > To add to what Pankaj ji has written >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, a specific epithet in adjective form (since >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Osmunda >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > generic >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > name is in feminine form), may take form of claytonianum >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > (if >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > attached to a >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > neuter genus) and claytonianus (if attached to masculine >> > > genus) >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > claytonii, a noun in possessive form, will remain >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > unchanged >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > from >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > genus to >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > genus; -ii for all names ending in consonant, -i for >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > names >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > ending >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > in vowel >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > (roylei for Royle), -e for those ending in a- (senguptae >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > for >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Sengupta), etc >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > cyatoniites here signifies two things, one it is like O. >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, and >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > second more important it is a name for a fossil. ending >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > -ites >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > is >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > commonly >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > used for fossil taxa. >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > -- >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Pankaj Kumar >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > <[email protected]> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Respected Usha Mam and Dinesh sir >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana means "like Clayton". Its an adjective of >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> "Clayton". >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytonii means "of Clayton". Clayton is used as a >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Noun, >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> saying >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> the >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> specimen that belonged to Clayton or collected by >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Clayton. >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniites means "looking like claytoniana" or if we >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> take >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> the >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> whole >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> plant name then it means looking specifically like >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Osmunda >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana. >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Please attached my pic of Osmunda claytoniana from >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Himachal >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pradesh, >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> just before Rohtang Pass. >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > From: Ushadi micromini <[email protected]> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Date: Oct 11, 2:15 pm >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Subject: what is the significance of the difference >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > in the >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > names >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > of >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > this fern:???? >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > To: efloraofindia >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Neha ji... >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > yes UBC folks have good pictures... >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > by the way... its not my doing... >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I only asked a question about THEIR photograph >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I thought i was clear ... >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I sent in a url only.... >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I am just a messenger who is asking a question.. >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > not the maker of the photo...I wish I was... >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Usha di >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > === >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > On Oct 10, 7:57 pm, Neha Singh >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > <[email protected]> >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Yess Brilliant photograpny Usha di ! >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Regards >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Neha Singh >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> -- >> > >> > > ********************************************************************** >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> !!" >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Conservation Officer >> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Office: >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Flora Conservation Department >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more » > > > -- ********************************************************************** "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" 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