Most Indian Words (in different languages) the ending of the word (except for a few like kursi, chapati, khirki) don't give indication of its gender, and that is why in most cases what we call as 'mera' in Hindi (or say North) would be called as 'meri' by a friend from South or East. This is what I had been often telling my students. In Latin (and for that matter even Russian) ending of the word generally tells us its gender, not in most Indian languages.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > Differently, in Hindi, trees are male!! > :) > Pankaj > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yes there are some exception, but majority (say in Manual of Trees by A > > Rehder) follow the feminity rule. > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > >> > >> What about Oroxylum indicum, Phoenix sylvestris, Pterospermum > >> acerifolium, Dimocarpus longan!! :) > >> > >> Its very tricky as both options are there. A tree should be female > >> according to botanical latin, but at the same time it can be male if > >> the name doesnt follow the botanical tradition and author calls it > >> male!! > >> > >> Pankaj > >> > >> > >> > >> On Oct 12, 9:52 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > yes > >> > Quercus (Q. dilatata, Q. acuminata), Prunus (P. persica, P. > armeniaca), > >> > Pinus (Pinus alba, P. africana) are all feminine because they are > trees, > >> > and > >> > in classical Latin, tree is treated as feminine. Perhaps all trees are > >> > feminine, irrespective of the ending of the generic name. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> > Retired Associate Professor > >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Pankaj Kumar > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I was going through Gurcharan sir's remark and I just wanted to add > >> > > some thing more. > >> > > Gender is a big issue in ICBN. > >> > > >> > > According to ICBN, II:VII:2, Article 62.1. A generic name retains > the > >> > > gender assigned by botanical tradition, irrespective of classical > >> > > usage or the author's original usage. A generic name without a > >> > > botanical tradition retains the gender assigned by its author (but > see > >> > > Art. 62.4). > >> > > >> > > For example, Punica granatum. Ideally Punica is of feminine gender, > >> > > "ending with 'a', hence the species name should have been 'granata', > >> > > but this name has been conserved because of its long usage. But the > >> > > question is, according to article 62.1 name should have retained the > >> > > gender assigned by botanical tradition irrespective of the usage by > >> > > author. Hence this goes against ICBN. > >> > > >> > > Second example could be Quercus oblongata. Though the gender of > genus > >> > > according to name is masculine, but classically they were treated as > >> > > feminine hence, the species name is feminine. > >> > > >> > > For the understanding of a common person, if you go through ICBN > >> > > ARTICLE > >> > > 62.1: > >> > > IF YOU NAME YOUR SON "RAMA" AND YOU DONT SAY IF IT WAS MALE OR > FEMALE > >> > > THEN ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE IT WILL BE CONSIDERED FEMALE FOLLOWING > >> > > BOTANICAL TRADITION. VERY INTERESTINGLY LORD RAM FROM RAMAYAN IS > OFTEN > >> > > REFEREED AS RAMA AND RAVAN AS RAVANA IN ENGLISH!! > >> > > >> > > IN HINDI TRAIN AS RAILGADI IS FEMALE, ENGINE IS FEMALE, BUT THE > >> > > BOGGIES ARE MALE !! > >> > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Sid <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > Very informative thread and Gurcharan sir nailed the answer. > >> > > > Haha... Pankaj, I think you are in a very confused state. It would > >> > > > take > >> > > 7+ > >> > > > years to figure out their secret code. and still more time to > >> > > > perfect it. > >> > > >> > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:43 PM, ushadi Micromini > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> Pankaj ji: > >> > > >> Secret code? ha ha, > >> > > >> yes!!! haven't done a secret code since we were kids and > had > >> > > balcony > >> > > >> or rooftop "caves" under old desks... in USA kids or their > fathers > >> > > >> build > >> > > >> tree houses... In Calcutta, my dad built us a rooftop desk > >> > > >> cave... > >> > > >> > > >> No, Pankaj, I was falling asleep I think... my fingers were on > >> > > >> the > >> > > last > >> > > >> row..looks like.. > >> > > >> just slip of fingers...and not realising what it was I sent it... > >> > > >> by > >> > > the > >> > > >> time I saw it was gibberish and removed it..it was too late... > >> > > >> some of > >> > > you > >> > > >> must already have received it in email... > >> > > >> but its been removed from eflora thread I think... > >> > > >> I hope... > >> > > >> > > >> the red fruit comments must have reached you by now!!!! > >> > > >> > > >> Usha di > >> > > >> ====== > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Pankaj Kumar > >> > > >> <[email protected]> > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> what was that :), abusing some one with a secret code !!! just > >> > > >>> kidding.... > >> > > >>> Its like here HK, I never know if others are abusing or > >> > > >>> praising... > >> > > >>> Pankaj > >> > > >> > > >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:26 PM, ushadi Micromini > >> > > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >>> > xbvcb > >> > > >> > > >>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Bhatt Sweta > >> > > >>> > <[email protected]> > >> > > >>> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> >> Ya and Ushadi, just like you i have copied in word > document... > >> > > >> > > >>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:32 PM, ushadi Micromini > >> > > >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> >>> Dear Sweta: Yes it has been a satisfying thread ... > >> > > >>> >>> Usha di > >> > > >>> >>> == > >> > > >> > > >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:24 PM, ushadi Micromini > >> > > >>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>> Dear Pankaj ji , Dineshji and Gurcharanji; I must say > >> > > >>> >>>> ..Respected > >> > > >>> >>>> Gurcharanji: > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>> Thank you individually and collectively for answering my > >> > > question... > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>> As i wrote the questions, I knew it.. I would get my > complete > >> > > answer > >> > > >>> >>>> here at this forum... and no where else... > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>> I am copy pasting these answers in a word file to keep it > >> > > >>> >>>> handy... > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>> Usha di > >> > > >>> >>>> ========= > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Bhatt Sweta < > >> > > [email protected]> > >> > > >>> >>>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>> very informative thread indeed... > >> > > >>> >>>>> Thanks Gurucharan Sir and Pankajji > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Dinesh Valke > >> > > >>> >>>>> <[email protected]> > >> > > >>> >>>>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>> Many many many thanks Pankaj and Gurcharan ji. > >> > > >>> >>>>>> Regards. > >> > > >>> >>>>>> Dinesh > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Pankaj Kumar > >> > > >>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> > > >>> >>>>>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> Guru is always a guru :)... > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> Thanks for adding more info.... > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> I was not sure about this "ites" thing. > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> Pankaj > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > To add to what Pankaj ji has written > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, a specific epithet in adjective form > (since > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Osmunda > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > generic > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > name is in feminine form), may take form of > claytonianum > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > (if > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > attached to a > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > neuter genus) and claytonianus (if attached to > masculine > >> > > genus) > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > claytonii, a noun in possessive form, will remain > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > unchanged > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > from > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > genus to > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > genus; -ii for all names ending in consonant, -i for > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > names > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > ending > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > in vowel > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > (roylei for Royle), -e for those ending in a- > (senguptae > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > for > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Sengupta), etc > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > cyatoniites here signifies two things, one it is like > O. > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, and > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > second more important it is a name for a fossil. > ending > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > -ites > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > is > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > commonly > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > used for fossil taxa. > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > -- > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Pankaj Kumar > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > <[email protected]> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Respected Usha Mam and Dinesh sir > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana means "like Clayton". Its an adjective of > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> "Clayton". > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytonii means "of Clayton". Clayton is used as a > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Noun, > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> saying > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> the > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> specimen that belonged to Clayton or collected by > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Clayton. > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniites means "looking like claytoniana" or if > we > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> take > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> the > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> whole > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> plant name then it means looking specifically like > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Osmunda > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana. > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Please attached my pic of Osmunda claytoniana from > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Himachal > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pradesh, > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> just before Rohtang Pass. > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > From: Ushadi micromini <[email protected]> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Date: Oct 11, 2:15 pm > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Subject: what is the significance of the difference > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > in the > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > names > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > of > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > this fern:???? > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > To: efloraofindia > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Neha ji... > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > yes UBC folks have good pictures... > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > by the way... its not my doing... > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I only asked a question about THEIR photograph > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I thought i was clear ... > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I sent in a url only.... > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > I am just a messenger who is asking a question.. > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > not the maker of the photo...I wish I was... > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > Usha di > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > === > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > On Oct 10, 7:57 pm, Neha Singh > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > <[email protected]> > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Yess Brilliant photograpny Usha di ! > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Regards > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Neha Singh > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> -- > >> > > >> > > > ********************************************************************** > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data > Deficient > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> !!" > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Conservation Officer > >> > > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Office: > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Flora Conservation Department > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > >> > > >>> >>>>>>> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >> > > >> > ... > >> > > >> > read more ยป > > > > > > > > > > -- > ********************************************************************** > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > Conservation Officer > > Office: > Flora Conservation Department > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > Residence: > 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > email: [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) >
