Joe,

>>> 
>>> On 26 Aug 2018, at 23:12, Joe Touch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As I’ve mentioned, there are rules under which a NAT is a valid Internet 
>>> device, but it is simply not just a router.
>> 
>> If there really was, can you point to where those rules are? Describing the 
>> behavior of the host stack and applications?
> 
> The principles are described and explained here:
> 
> Touch, J: Middlebox Models Compatible with the Internet. USC/ISI 
> (ISI-TR-711), 2016. (
> 

I don’t want to dismiss this completely, but it hand waves over how 
applications are supposed to work in this new Internet architecture. 
You can define your way out of breaking end-to-end, but that doesn’t mean you 
can ignore all the issues of NAT traversal.

Cheers 
Ole
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