> On Aug 26, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Ole Troan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
>>>
>>>> On 26 Aug 2018, at 23:12, Joe Touch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As I’ve mentioned, there are rules under which a NAT is a valid Internet
>>>> device, but it is simply not just a router.
>>>
>>> If there really was, can you point to where those rules are? Describing the
>>> behavior of the host stack and applications?
>>
>> The principles are described and explained here:
>>
>> Touch, J: Middlebox Models Compatible with the Internet. USC/ISI
>> (ISI-TR-711), 2016. (
>>
>
> I don’t want to dismiss this completely, but it hand waves over how
> applications are supposed to work in this new Internet architecture.
> You can define your way out of breaking end-to-end, but that doesn’t mean you
> can ignore all the issues of NAT traversal.
You’ve missed the point - if the middleboxes describe behave as required, apps
do not need to change. They work as they would in an Internet without those
boxes.
Joe
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