Hi Jerry at al, Oh, my.
It has been about 4-6 years ago when someone [probably Ren (Marinus)] has mentioned either to me in our private correspondence or possibly even in a Keely net post that he has come across rumors that diesel engines beyond polar circle sometimes refuse to die when the fuel is shut off merrilly diesling on. It has nagged at me for all that time and yet I have failed to connect the obvius (at least for me and now) the working of the Joe's Cell and the dieseling of the diesel engines as rumoured. I would suspect that water mist comes in ice crystals in wery cold temperatures and gets into the air intake amd right into the cylinders before it has a chance to evaporate. 1) Water forsage is known technology for cutting down on fuel consumption in gasoline engines (10 - 20%). a] it cools down the combustion and causes the fuel to burn more slowly and more completely (anti-detonator / emission tests confirm that) b) water also evaporates and boost the pressure in the cylinder increasing the power and therefore the milage. Even misty weather conditions show this effect. Of course the gasoline engine has nowhere the compression ratio of a diesel and water forsage can only enhance the gasoline performance. U still need fuell. On the other hand, diesel does have the compression ratio to create momentary tempertature under the cylinder head near Top Dead Center. This of course should flash evaporate any liquid (or iced) spray present in the air in the combustion chamber. So, the stage 1, the flash evaporation at TDC of compression in a diesel engine is quite unavoidable. The question is what happens at the stage two, when the piston goes down and when the water vapor content of the cylinder should theoreticaly "flash" condense. Here comes the beauty of what water does and does not do. Water has no tendency to readilly condese even when the temperature is dramaticaly decreasing. It will condense fairly fast if there is some liquid water pressent as a "seed" of condensation, or if there is some chemical compound which would precipitate vapour condensation (like the silver whatever used in experimental cloud seeding). But even so, it will do it relatively slowly as the water wapor molecules have to come into contact with that seeding. Vapour will stay vapor even at and below ambient as long as the moisture content is below the dew point ratio. [Which is exactly the reason why dew grows on the gras leaves and does not come as rain] Since the diesel engine is lubricated by oil, which of course is not an agent to be readilly wetted by water, the condensation of water vapor at stage two of the engine stroke is not likely to take place all that fast inside the cylinder. Definitely not anywhere near the time the piston bottoms out. All in all, I am convinced that Vasily has an excellent proposition. The problem I can see though is a substantial cooling of the engine in operation. After all, as the water vapor leaves the engine, it carries away a lot of latent heat locked in it, because it did not condense back into liquid within the engine. Then you will either end up having to heat the engine by some outside means (probably through the radiator and the cooling system from the ambient air), or allow the exhaust vapor to condense, lets say within the cooling system itself, in order to return the latent heat back to the engine, or both. The engine will still use up energy, but it will (if it should really work and my take is that it would) come from the environment. Next problem to be solved is actually delivering the liquid water into the cylinders. I am quite certain that the fuel injection pump and injectors themselves will not take kindly to having to handle water instead of the diesel fuel. It would appear more sensible to install a carb onto the intake manifold ar inlet and run the water through the carb. This would actually allow for "dual" fuel system, possibly using diesel oil for a startup and the water for the run, may be even a combination of both. The carb on the intake would be a non invasive add upon and relatively easy to test for a handy fellow, without the risk of compromising a good fuel injection system in case the whole idea is vhacko.(G) If anyone were to give it a shot, I can supply what I sell as an air dryer (I would have to slightly modify it) for recondensation and recapturing of the latent heat from the engine exhaust to be fed back into the cooling system. It would work just dandy as it condenses vapor into liquid water and separates it from an air stream on the run. My kind regards, Slavek Jerry Decker - KN wrote: > > Hola Vasily et al! > > I am posting this to our list to see if there is any feedback, thanks! > > http://www.mail-archive.com/interact%40listserv.capital-master.com/maillist.html > > Vasily Bezukladnikov wrote: > > - In diesel the air (in following cycles in the cylinder instead of > > air will be already the steam) heat up by compression to 800 *C. > > Injected water at first will cool hot air, which will be compressed > > from cooling by cool water, it will facilitate the further squeeze of > > air by piston. At diminishing of temperature on one degree of Celsius > > any gas decreases on 1/273 part of volume. The water warms up from > > hot jammed air, but pressing of environment of the cylinder hampers a > > boiling of water, though already at temperature 372 *C all water > > accepts a gaseous phase independently from the further growth of > > pressure. > > > > Pressure, p (Atm.) 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 > > 7 8 9 10 11 ... 100 218 Water > > boiling-point, t (C*) - 100 119 132 141 150 157 > > 163 168 173 178 182 > > ... 310 372 > > > > Analyzing temperature of entered water and the speed of rotation of > > crankshaft and the load, the electronics should regulate the > > injection time, the quantity and the size of droplets of sprayed > > water so that water boiled only after passage by the piston of the > > top dead center. The water, at the boiling or steam exhalation, > > increases the volume in 1673 times, than helps compressed air to push > > the piston. During a working stroke in cylinder, falls the pressure > > of gases, from it the all super-heated water do boil as explosion and > > gives an accumulated surplus energy to compressed steam for pushing > > the piston. Besides, the explosion do the shock wave, which by the > > strongest heating of gas can instantly ignite various subjects, and > > which with supersonic speed having repeatedly a reflect from the > > piston and surface of cylinder, does the essential heating of the > > formerly compressed steam. In moment of bottom dead center the > > electronics through the small outlet valve issues only surpluses of > > air (of steam) into a radiator for repeated using of condensation > > water. In the beginning of new compression, when in the cylinder > > impedes injection almost minimal pressure, the water enters and > > stimulates cooling, condensation and compression of steam in > > cylinder. > > > > > > Excuse bad translation from Russian > > > > -- > ===================================================== > from Jerry Decker @ http://www.keelynet.com > Order out of Chaos - From an Art to a Science > Donations : http://www.keelynet.com/donate1.htm > Books/Videos : http://www.keelynet.com/products.htm > MexiStim Energy Stimulator > http://www.keelynet.com/mexistim/nexcrock.htm > * * * * * * * * > Vanguard Sciences (eBooks and DVDs) > http://www.vanguardsciences.biz > The Physics of Crystals DVD > Lil Pyramid Builder eBook > High Voltage & Free Energy Devices eBook > $$ 14 Ways to save Money on Fuel Costs $$ eBook > =====================================================
