On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Philip Sturgeon <pjsturg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Pavel, > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Pavel Kouřil <pajou...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Anthony Ferrara <ircmax...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> But for today, I firmly believe that the Dual-Mode proposal is the >>> only one that stands a chance of passing. I think it's the best chance >>> for the language, and it's the only one that tries to unite the >>> different usages of PHP into a single group, rather than alienating >>> users. >>> >> >> Hello, >> >> I see (as a userland developer) these problems with dual mode: >> - It is a "setting" that changes the language's behavior; I don't >> think that it matters whether or not it would be an INI setting or the >> declare() one, because both of them are bad. >> - It does not "unite different usages of PHP into a single group"; it >> does exactly the opposite, splitting PHP usage into TWO groups. >> - Once this dual mode would be introduced to PHP, there would probably >> be no way of removing it later without massive BC break, once most >> people would realize that it is really awful to have it in the >> language. >> >> (There's probably more of them, but these are the biggest issues I >> currently have.) >> >> Regards >> Pavel Kouril >> >> -- >> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> > > Hang on. This is not the time to nitpick things in various RFCs that > have already been answered time and time again. > > An ini setting would be insane because taking an app that works on one > machine and putting it on another would completely break the app. > Hello anything using Composer, hello any CMS, hello any system moving > to a new host that doesn't let you change ini settings, or you dont > know how. > > A declare statement in the top of the file changing how that file > handles things is hardly a problem, and is exactly how a lot of other > languages do things. Hello JavaScript. > > It seems like you didn't read anything now you're just saying "it's > bad" a lot. Please don't do that.
Hello, there may maybe be some misinterpretation of what I'm saying, but I read everything from the scalar types discussions in the past 2 or 3 months, actually. I know ini setting is much much worse than this, but this is imho still bad - the "intent" is pretty much similiar (aka some directive that changes how code behaves); I've been saying that I disagree with this approach ever since the Andrea's first Dual Mode was published as a RFC and I feel I need to bring it up again. Regards Pavel Kouril -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
