RobG wrote:
>
> On Oct 4, 7:20 am, "Kevin J. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>   
>> When... Sun deliver versions of ... Java that let Apple control the
>> applications delivered to the iPhone, Apple will let it happen.
>>     
>
> The lack of Java on iPhone has nothing to do with Sun, the iPhone
> simply has no JVM.  Apple doesn't supply one and there's no 3rd party
> JVM for it from Sun or anyone else.  
>   
This is incorrect.

http://java4iphone.com/all-news/all-news/tutorial-install-java-on-the-iphone/
> Even if there was, you'd either
> have to jail-break your phone to install it or get Apple to agree to
> install it (by App Store or software update).
>   
Yes, you have to jailbreak the phone. As I said above, it doesn't "let 
Apple control the applications delivered to the iPhone"

> Apple knows
> enough about the iPhone OS (which is apparently based on OS X) and the
> OS X JVM to know that Java apps won't perform very well.
>   
Java apps will be fine on the iPhone - especially compared to the other 
mobile phone platforms running J2ME apps.

As I said, the issue is not technical. It is completely a matter of 
control - Apple really /really/ wants to control the iPhone application 
market monopoly and use it to strengthen their Mac OS market monopoly. 
Anything that delivers applications by channels other than via Apple is 
thus a Bad Thing.

kb

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