I agree - good browsers with web standards (and js) is better than using Flash or Silverlight...
One thing especially important for phones: How are we going to get the phone's location (lat and long) on the web? The Blackberry already has a javascript solution. I'd love to see both a javascript way to get lat and long, and a way to get it passed through the headers for the back-end. (This is assuming that the user allows the particular domain to access the lat/long information, for privacy concerns) Any thoughts? On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Jorge Chamorro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sirs, > > This thread was first about Flash and later on about JAVA, and, > > We need no more java nor flash nor silverlight nor any other > propietary solution to the problem. > > What we need is a push towards complete, functional, useful apis and > web standards, and possibly (JavaScript)(), in order to get the web > (finally) working as it should... (against M$'s own interests). Sorry, > but the web as a platform shouldn't rely on propietary solutions. > > Did I say HTML5 ? It's a good starting point : send your own > proposals: http://www.whatwg.org/mailing-list > > As to propietary non-web 'native' solutions, why would Apple want to > promote sun's JAVA in its own platform (the iPhone) ? > > Nonsense. > > And how is JAVA better than Cocoa's frameworks + objective C ? > > Apple has the best phone on earth. Nokia, Motorola, HTC, anyother > could have done it, but they didn't even know what nor how to do it. > It's been Apple and now they are in their own right to set the rules > on their own platform. Furthermore, I don't even think that JAVA is a > better alternative, although google seems to think so. We'll see. Time > will tell. > > -- > Jorge. > > On 06/10/2008, at 16:57, Kevin J. Butler wrote: > >> >> RobG wrote: >>> >>> On Oct 4, 7:20 am, "Kevin J. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> [...] >>> >>>> When... Sun deliver versions of ... Java that let Apple control the >>>> applications delivered to the iPhone, Apple will let it happen. >>>> >>> >>> The lack of Java on iPhone has nothing to do with Sun, the iPhone >>> simply has no JVM. Apple doesn't supply one and there's no 3rd party >>> JVM for it from Sun or anyone else. >>> >> This is incorrect. >> >> http://java4iphone.com/all-news/all-news/tutorial-install-java-on-the-iphone/ >>> Even if there was, you'd either >>> have to jail-break your phone to install it or get Apple to agree to >>> install it (by App Store or software update). >>> >> Yes, you have to jailbreak the phone. As I said above, it doesn't "let >> Apple control the applications delivered to the iPhone" >> >>> Apple knows >>> enough about the iPhone OS (which is apparently based on OS X) and >>> the >>> OS X JVM to know that Java apps won't perform very well. >>> >> Java apps will be fine on the iPhone - especially compared to the >> other >> mobile phone platforms running J2ME apps. >> >> As I said, the issue is not technical. It is completely a matter of >> control - Apple really /really/ wants to control the iPhone >> application >> market monopoly and use it to strengthen their Mac OS market monopoly. >> Anything that delivers applications by channels other than via Apple >> is >> thus a Bad Thing. >> >> kb > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iPhoneWebDev" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/iphonewebdev?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
