Alex Conta writes:
 > Tony Hain wrote:
 > > [...] Some of the pushback is
 > > simply based on the fact that the diffserv model of QoS
 > > is inherently broken because there is no end-to-end
 > > immutable set of bits for local decisions to be based on.
 > 
 > I hate to say it, but your conclusion is grotesquely false. 
 > The Diffserv QOS model is not broken at all - I don't know 
 > how, where, and why you got that. 
 > 
 > For IPv4 M-F classification, Diffserv can use the well-known 5-tuple.
 > src, dst addresses, src, dst ports, and protocol ID.

   The problem is that the 5-tuple is exactly *one* kind
   of definition of a uflow. RFC 2207 defines another kind
   which instead of requiring IPsec to conform to RSVP's
   desire for a 5-tuple, defines another kind of
   uflow based on SRC,DST,SPI instead. This does not
   compromise the privacy of the flow itself since what
   the SPI represents is opaque to the classifier. What
   you are proposing is that that opaqueness is bogus
   and that I should always reveal the 5 tuple for 
   all to see.

   I disagree. If there's lossage here, we should
   err on the side of privacy. What you all are
   proposing effectively renders ESP protection of
   transport headers a dead letter if you want
   diffserv QoS.

                Mike
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