I know that this is not about you. The word used 'YOU' was just a pointer
to any one.
I will again say that everyone should pay from the date he started using
ISPAK benefits.
You do not want to hurt someones feelings, because of these petty matters,
but you are ready to hurt mine ??
Regards,
Nasir.
On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, nadeem wrote:
> Dear Nasir Sb.,
>
> This debate is with reference to one of our colleges and not myself.
>
> Attending one meeting on invitation of some member does not mean that the
> membership started from that date. That meeting helped him the chance to
> understand the objectives of ISPAK and decide to join. There would be many
> more cases who attended but joined subsequently.
>
> All I am trying to advocate is that these petty matters should not be raised
> to maintain unity.
>
> Regards
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
>
>
> >
> > Nadeem Sahib,
> >
> > Does that mean that I made a mistake by registering from the day I knew
> > ISPAK existed, and I attended the first meeting ???
> >
> > If you are attending meetings, you are using the forum to your benefit,
> > you are having your problems dealt with, and not registering, because you
> > can do all that without registering and paying. Is this fair ?? Is this
> > ethical ?? When the requirment for a paying members becomes mandatory,
> > because of elections, you come forward and say I am now registering and
> > paying from today. Is this fair ?? Is this ethical ?? Is this positive ??
> >
> > Does that mean that I have been had by people who utilized the benefits of
> > ISPAK and not paid, and I was a fool paying from the start??
> >
> > I understand we are a poor country, but that does'nt mean that one cannot
> > spare Rs. 5000 per annum, and not for some charity etc., but for his own
> > good.
> >
> > If UIN number was implemented, by the efforts of ISPAK, did'nt every body
> > benefited ?? Is'nt it the responsibility of the benefitery to pay ISPAK
> > for that period, beacuse he was running his business then, and if ISPAK
> > did'nt existed then, his business had been shutdown ???
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nasir.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, nadeem wrote:
> >
> > > Bhutta Sb.,
> > >
> > > Attending a meeting and delivering speech is different and being
> registered
> > > on a specific date is different. Attending a meeting does not mean that
> one
> > > has joined the organization on that date. Be positive.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "A.R. Nasir Qureshi"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is the problem of Mr.Saad Saleem. He joined ISPAK in 1999. at
> meeting
> > > > in rest house organised by Mr.Wahaj ur Siraj of COMSATS in Islamabad.
> He
> > > got
> > > > registration in late 2000 and paid renewal fee in early 2001.
> > > >
> > > > According to ethically he should pay since he joined and delivered a
> > > speech
> > > > against Chairman PTA. Who was helping us at that time.
> > > >
> > > > On 17th May I meet to Mr.Saad Saleem. Mr.Imran Akhatr Shah. Mr.Qazi
> and
> > > > Mr.Naeem Haq in Islamabad Specially I travelled from Karachi to
> Islamabad
> > > > only to have this meeting with them .We decided all issues for smooth
> > > > election I proposed that year should be divided into four quarter and
> fee
> > > be
> > > > divided accordingly I also agreed web voting and Mr.Naeen took the
> > > > responsibility to provide software for voting to get consensus from
> all on
> > > > web. only paid members were to be issued password for voting.
> > > >
> > > > I circulated all this but Mr.Qazi opposed and Mr.Muhammad Arshad Jalil
> > > again
> > > > advised to give them chance to keep with us.
> > > >
> > > > I am ready to adopt any formula on it. You should propose. We will
> > > > implement.
> > > >
> > > > We will do our best efforts to keep them joint.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards.
> > > > Bhutta.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:58 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Give them a last chance and then goodbye.
> > > > >
> > > > > But here the question was not for such Co. who have not paid ever.
> > > > > Unfortunately, Mr. Bhutta has declared all those Co. defaulter who
> paid
> > > > less
> > > > > than year ago. That is point of concern.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahmad Nadeem Syed
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Cc: "ISPAK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:52 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I saw your formula, and it is acceptable to me at least, but what
> > > about
> > > > > > people who have not paid at all, or not paid for more than a year
> ??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your formula only applies to companies who paid less than a year
> ago,
> > > > and
> > > > > > now they will have to pay again for a year, where as a year has
> not
> > > > > > passed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you say about companies who have not paid for more than a
> year
> > > > ??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nasir.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, nadeem wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I fully agree with you. Obviously no organization can run
> without
> > > > funds.
> > > > > > > There is no disagreement on payment. It is question of timing
> and
> > > the
> > > > > way
> > > > > > > the payment period is interpreted. Pl. see my other e-mail in
> this
> > > > > respect.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Cc: "Aly Ramzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:25 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We for one have been paying ISPAK annual fees for the last
> three
> > > > > years.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Don't you think it is unfair for me a small ISP, for whom Rs.
> 5000
> > > > is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > much bigger share of total revenues, than other big ISP's,
> that
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > no-payers enjoy the same privileges as me ???
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I do not understand what this fuss is all about paying Rs.
> 5000,
> > > > which
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > all of us is by Grace of God a very small amount ??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why can't all people pay Rs. 5000, and attend the meeting ??
> Why,
> > > > when
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have paid, others are un-willing to pay ??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If I have made a mistake in paying, pls help your brother, by
> > > > telling
> > > > > me
> > > > > > > > what I have done wrong and why, so in the future I can save
> Rs.
> > > > 5000.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nasir.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, nadeem wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dear Ramzan Bhai,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I fully agree with your point of view with reference to
> funds.
> > > > > However,
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > issue has never been made a point of concern for any of the
> > > > meeting.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I suggest that let this meeting be held without pressure
> > > however,
> > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > payment condition for right to cast the vote.
> > > > > > > > > The impression Mr. Bhutta is creating is that he is being
> > > > selective
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > not want certain members to attend. I request Mr. Bhutta not
> to
> > > > > create
> > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > impression.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Circulate the list of members. The voting as well as holding
> > > > office
> > > > > > > bearer
> > > > > > > > > position should be with the condition that the member
> > > organization
> > > > > is an
> > > > > > > > > Operating ISP.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Aly Ramzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "sbhutta"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > > > > > "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > "Azfar
> > > > > > > > > Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:58 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Funds are required to run any association, PASHA charged
> our
> > > > > Software
> > > > > > > > > house
> > > > > > > > > > Rs. 15,000 before they would even put us on their
> discussion
> > > > > group.
> > > > > > > Same
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > true for Chamber, Federation, PREGMA, APTMA etc. etc. I
> fail
> > > to
> > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > how an association with office, employees, travel expenses
> > > > etc.can
> > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > without funds. The present and newly elected body will
> need
> > > the
> > > > > funds
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > operate ISPAK successfully, and the audited accounts
> should be
> > > > > open
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > inspection to all members.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One may argue that these are not elected members per say
> but
> > > we
> > > > > feel
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > our problems were solved by the same team which exists
> today.
> > > > > Being an
> > > > > > > ISP
> > > > > > > > > > in operation since 1998 I feel that Bhutta Saheb, Ansar
> Saheb,
> > > > > Imran
> > > > > > > > > Akhtar
> > > > > > > > > > Saheb, Salman Ansari Saheb, Arshad Jalil Saheb and others
> have
> > > > > worked
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > very hard "TOGETHER" to do what ever was possible to get
> ISP
> > > > > issues
> > > > > > > > > > resolved. So many of our problems with PTCL which were
> > > > impossible
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > solve
> > > > > > > > > > in the 90's are going through seamlessly. People on both
> sides
> > > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > fence
> > > > > > > > > > have worked hard to get ISPAK to where it is today.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are looking forward to the elections.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Aly Ramzan
> > > > > > > > > > CubeXS
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Azfar Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "sbhutta"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > > > > > > "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:54 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhutta Sahib,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I support Nadeem. Every ISP should be allowed to be on
> the
> > > > email
> > > > > > > list of
> > > > > > > > > > ISPAK whether a paid member or not.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Infact, I would go one step further and recommend the
> > > > following
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > maximum participation:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. For the General Body Meeting of ISPAK on July 10,
> 2001 in
> > > > > Karachi
> > > > > > > Mr.
> > > > > > > > > > Pasha, DS ISPAK should personally contact the CEO/MD of
> every
> > > > > > > operational
> > > > > > > > > > ISP in the country whether it is a member of ISPAK or not.
> All
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > invited to this meeting or asked to send
> representatives.The
> > > > email
> > > > > > > list of
> > > > > > > > > > ISPAK does not include all operational ISP's.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Those who cannot come to Karachi for one reason or
> > > another
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > informed of what issues were discussed in the General Body
> > > > meeting
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > sending them written minutes of the meeting and also all
> > > should
> > > > be
> > > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > opportunity to present their views by immediately holding
> > > > followup
> > > > > > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > > meetings in Lahore and Islamabad chaired by you as
> President
> > > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > > personally so that no one can complain later.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > For Lahore WOL will be more than willing to play host
> and I
> > > am
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > will have volunteers for Islamabad also.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The above practice is followed very successfully by
> PASHA
> > > and
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > insures
> > > > > > > > > > that every member has the opportunity to participate in
> the
> > > > > affairs of
> > > > > > > > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > > and such openness leads to a more vibrant, effective and
> > > united
> > > > > > > > > > organization.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Azfar
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > At 09:44 AM7/2/01+0500, nadeem wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >Bhutta Sb.,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Do not take this position.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Instead, be positive and try to have maximum presence
> to
> > > make
> > > > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > truly
> > > > > > > > > > > >representative. Remember ISPAK is body of ISPs. Do not
> give
> > > > > > > impression
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > >you want some specific person out.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Registered member is one who has got registration. Make
> the
> > > > > request
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >members to pay the dues. Do not try to keep the people
> out
> > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > >technicalities. Be humble and make friends. The
> positions
> > > are
> > > > > open
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > >body who is considered eligible by the majority.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Ahmad Nadeem Syed
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > >From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > >To: "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 8:51 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: ISPAK: Re: To Mr. Bhutta; Email List Additions
> For
> > > > > > > Worldcall
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Mr.Pasha,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Deputy Secretary ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > > > >> AoA
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Please check if worldcall.net is paid member then
> include
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > proposed
> > > > > > > > > > > >name
> > > > > > > > > > > >> in the mailing list otherwise regret and inform that
> > > > mailing
> > > > > list
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > > >> limited with in paid members..
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Best regards.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Sanaullah Bhutta
> > > > > > > > > > > >> President ISPAK>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > >> From: "Nahil Mahmood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 3:37 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Subject: To Mr. Bhutta; Email List Additions For
> > > Worldcall
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Dear Mr. Bhutta,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > I am contacting you from Worldcall Lahore. I would
> like
> > > > to
> > > > > > > request
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > to kindly add two email addresses to your mailing
> list
> > > > for
> > > > > > > ISPAK as
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > follows:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > -Mr. Fazeel Asif, COO Worldcall Multimedia
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > -Nahil Mahmood, Senior Manager Technical, Worldcall
> > > > > Multimedia
> > > > > > > Ltd.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Looking forward to your early asistance.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nahil Mahmood
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mobile: 0300-8484399
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > --
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> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nahil Mahmood
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Senior Manager Technical
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Worldcall Multimedia Ltd.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > 50 Bridge Colony
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Abid Majeed Road
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahore Cannt., Pakistan
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Tel: +92-42-6686227
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Fax: +92-42-6669095
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
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> > > representatives.
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> > > > > > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
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ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials of
ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
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