Bhutta Sb.,
It is always from date of joining and not from date of operation. There are
no such rules for which you have to call General House. If somebody attended
the meetings, it does not mean that he has taken something from ISPAK. but
he may have given something.
Pl. do not make your own rules and make this an issue. This shows that you
want have personal vendetta against some people. Your these sort of self
made rules and policies are taking ISPAK to a split.
Regards
----- Original Message -----
From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> MAY I SUGGEST THAT MEMBERSHIP SHOULD BE START FROM DATE OF OPERATION.
> HE ATTENDED MEETING AND PASSED TIME WITHOUT PAYING ANY DUES. PLEASE GUIDE
ME
> WE ADOPT WHAT YOU SUGGEST BUT IT WILL BE AMENDED BY GENERAL HOUSE.
> BHUTTA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 9:41 AM
> Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
>
>
> > Bhutta Sb.,
> >
> > Attending a meeting and delivering speech is different and being
> registered
> > on a specific date is different. Attending a meeting does not mean that
> one
> > has joined the organization on that date. Be positive.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "A.R. Nasir Qureshi"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> >
> >
> > > This is the problem of Mr.Saad Saleem. He joined ISPAK in 1999. at
> meeting
> > > in rest house organised by Mr.Wahaj ur Siraj of COMSATS in Islamabad.
He
> > got
> > > registration in late 2000 and paid renewal fee in early 2001.
> > >
> > > According to ethically he should pay since he joined and delivered a
> > speech
> > > against Chairman PTA. Who was helping us at that time.
> > >
> > > On 17th May I meet to Mr.Saad Saleem. Mr.Imran Akhatr Shah. Mr.Qazi
and
> > > Mr.Naeem Haq in Islamabad Specially I travelled from Karachi to
> Islamabad
> > > only to have this meeting with them .We decided all issues for smooth
> > > election I proposed that year should be divided into four quarter and
> fee
> > be
> > > divided accordingly I also agreed web voting and Mr.Naeen took the
> > > responsibility to provide software for voting to get consensus from
all
> on
> > > web. only paid members were to be issued password for voting.
> > >
> > > I circulated all this but Mr.Qazi opposed and Mr.Muhammad Arshad Jalil
> > again
> > > advised to give them chance to keep with us.
> > >
> > > I am ready to adopt any formula on it. You should propose. We will
> > > implement.
> > >
> > > We will do our best efforts to keep them joint.
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> > > Bhutta.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Give them a last chance and then goodbye.
> > > >
> > > > But here the question was not for such Co. who have not paid ever.
> > > > Unfortunately, Mr. Bhutta has declared all those Co. defaulter who
> paid
> > > less
> > > > than year ago. That is point of concern.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Ahmad Nadeem Syed
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Cc: "ISPAK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:52 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw your formula, and it is acceptable to me at least, but what
> > about
> > > > > people who have not paid at all, or not paid for more than a year
??
> > > > >
> > > > > Your formula only applies to companies who paid less than a year
> ago,
> > > and
> > > > > now they will have to pay again for a year, where as a year has
not
> > > > > passed.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you say about companies who have not paid for more than a
> year
> > > ??
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Nasir.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, nadeem wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I fully agree with you. Obviously no organization can run
without
> > > funds.
> > > > > > There is no disagreement on payment. It is question of timing
and
> > the
> > > > way
> > > > > > the payment period is interpreted. Pl. see my other e-mail in
this
> > > > respect.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > Cc: "Aly Ramzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:25 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We for one have been paying ISPAK annual fees for the last
three
> > > > years.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't you think it is unfair for me a small ISP, for whom Rs.
> 5000
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > > > much bigger share of total revenues, than other big ISP's,
that
> > > other
> > > > > > > no-payers enjoy the same privileges as me ???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do not understand what this fuss is all about paying Rs.
5000,
> > > which
> > > > for
> > > > > > > all of us is by Grace of God a very small amount ??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why can't all people pay Rs. 5000, and attend the meeting ??
> Why,
> > > when
> > > > I
> > > > > > > have paid, others are un-willing to pay ??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I have made a mistake in paying, pls help your brother, by
> > > telling
> > > > me
> > > > > > > what I have done wrong and why, so in the future I can save
Rs.
> > > 5000.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nasir.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, nadeem wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Ramzan Bhai,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I fully agree with your point of view with reference to
funds.
> > > > However,
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > issue has never been made a point of concern for any of the
> > > meeting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I suggest that let this meeting be held without pressure
> > however,
> > > > put
> > > > > > > > payment condition for right to cast the vote.
> > > > > > > > The impression Mr. Bhutta is creating is that he is being
> > > selective
> > > > and
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > not want certain members to attend. I request Mr. Bhutta not
> to
> > > > create
> > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > impression.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Circulate the list of members. The voting as well as holding
> > > office
> > > > > > bearer
> > > > > > > > position should be with the condition that the member
> > organization
> > > > is an
> > > > > > > > Operating ISP.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Aly Ramzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "sbhutta"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > > > > "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > "Azfar
> > > > > > > > Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:58 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dear All,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Funds are required to run any association, PASHA charged
our
> > > > Software
> > > > > > > > house
> > > > > > > > > Rs. 15,000 before they would even put us on their
discussion
> > > > group.
> > > > > > Same
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > true for Chamber, Federation, PREGMA, APTMA etc. etc. I
fail
> > to
> > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > how an association with office, employees, travel expenses
> > > etc.can
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > without funds. The present and newly elected body will
need
> > the
> > > > funds
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > operate ISPAK successfully, and the audited accounts
should
> be
> > > > open
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > inspection to all members.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One may argue that these are not elected members per say
but
> > we
> > > > feel
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > our problems were solved by the same team which exists
> today.
> > > > Being an
> > > > > > ISP
> > > > > > > > > in operation since 1998 I feel that Bhutta Saheb, Ansar
> Saheb,
> > > > Imran
> > > > > > > > Akhtar
> > > > > > > > > Saheb, Salman Ansari Saheb, Arshad Jalil Saheb and others
> have
> > > > worked
> > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > very hard "TOGETHER" to do what ever was possible to get
ISP
> > > > issues
> > > > > > > > > resolved. So many of our problems with PTCL which were
> > > impossible
> > > > to
> > > > > > solve
> > > > > > > > > in the 90's are going through seamlessly. People on both
> sides
> > > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > fence
> > > > > > > > > have worked hard to get ISPAK to where it is today.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We are looking forward to the elections.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Aly Ramzan
> > > > > > > > > CubeXS
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Azfar Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "sbhutta"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > > > > > "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:54 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhutta Sahib,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I support Nadeem. Every ISP should be allowed to be on
the
> > > email
> > > > > > list of
> > > > > > > > > ISPAK whether a paid member or not.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Infact, I would go one step further and recommend the
> > > following
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > maximum participation:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1. For the General Body Meeting of ISPAK on July 10,
2001
> in
> > > > Karachi
> > > > > > Mr.
> > > > > > > > > Pasha, DS ISPAK should personally contact the CEO/MD of
> every
> > > > > > operational
> > > > > > > > > ISP in the country whether it is a member of ISPAK or not.
> All
> > > > should
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > invited to this meeting or asked to send
representatives.The
> > > email
> > > > > > list of
> > > > > > > > > ISPAK does not include all operational ISP's.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2. Those who cannot come to Karachi for one reason or
> > another
> > > > should
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > informed of what issues were discussed in the General Body
> > > meeting
> > > > by
> > > > > > > > > sending them written minutes of the meeting and also all
> > should
> > > be
> > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > opportunity to present their views by immediately holding
> > > followup
> > > > > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > meetings in Lahore and Islamabad chaired by you as
President
> > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > personally so that no one can complain later.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For Lahore WOL will be more than willing to play host
and
> I
> > am
> > > > sure
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > will have volunteers for Islamabad also.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The above practice is followed very successfully by
PASHA
> > and
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > insures
> > > > > > > > > that every member has the opportunity to participate in
the
> > > > affairs of
> > > > > > > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > and such openness leads to a more vibrant, effective and
> > united
> > > > > > > > > organization.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Azfar
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > At 09:44 AM7/2/01+0500, nadeem wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >Bhutta Sb.,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Do not take this position.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Instead, be positive and try to have maximum presence
to
> > make
> > > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > truly
> > > > > > > > > > >representative. Remember ISPAK is body of ISPs. Do not
> give
> > > > > > impression
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > >you want some specific person out.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Registered member is one who has got registration. Make
> the
> > > > request
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >members to pay the dues. Do not try to keep the people
> out
> > on
> > > > > > > > > > >technicalities. Be humble and make friends. The
positions
> > are
> > > > open
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > >body who is considered eligible by the majority.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Regards
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Ahmad Nadeem Syed
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > >From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > >To: "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 8:51 PM
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: ISPAK: Re: To Mr. Bhutta; Email List Additions
> For
> > > > > > Worldcall
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Mr.Pasha,
> > > > > > > > > > >> Deputy Secretary ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > > >> AoA
> > > > > > > > > > >> Please check if worldcall.net is paid member then
> include
> > > the
> > > > > > > > proposed
> > > > > > > > > > >name
> > > > > > > > > > >> in the mailing list otherwise regret and inform that
> > > mailing
> > > > list
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > >> limited with in paid members..
> > > > > > > > > > >> Best regards.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Sanaullah Bhutta
> > > > > > > > > > >> President ISPAK>
> > > > > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > >> From: "Nahil Mahmood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 3:37 PM
> > > > > > > > > > >> Subject: To Mr. Bhutta; Email List Additions For
> > Worldcall
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Dear Mr. Bhutta,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I am contacting you from Worldcall Lahore. I would
> like
> > > to
> > > > > > request
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > >> > to kindly add two email addresses to your mailing
> list
> > > for
> > > > > > ISPAK as
> > > > > > > > > > >> > follows:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > -Mr. Fazeel Asif, COO Worldcall Multimedia
> > > > > > > > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > -Nahil Mahmood, Senior Manager Technical, Worldcall
> > > > Multimedia
> > > > > > Ltd.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Looking forward to your early asistance.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Nahil Mahmood
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mobile: 0300-8484399
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > > > > > >> > *************************
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Nahil Mahmood
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Senior Manager Technical
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Worldcall Multimedia Ltd.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > 50 Bridge Colony
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Abid Majeed Road
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahore Cannt., Pakistan
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Tel: +92-42-6686227
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Fax: +92-42-6669095
> > > > > > > > > > >> > *************************
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
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> officials
> > of
> > > > > > > > > > >> ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media
> > representatives.
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> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
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officials
> of
> > > > > > > > > > >ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media
> representatives.
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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> of
> > > > > > > > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media
> representatives.
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------- ISPAK --------------------------
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> > > > > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
> > > > > > > -------------- http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
> > > > -------------- http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------- ISPAK --------------------------
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> ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
> -------------- http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
>
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