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ASF GitHub Bot logged work on ARTEMIS-4582:
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                Author: ASF GitHub Bot
            Created on: 13/Mar/24 09:55
            Start Date: 13/Mar/24 09:55
    Worklog Time Spent: 10m 
      Work Description: gtully commented on code in PR #4820:
URL: https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/pull/4820#discussion_r1522897353


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docs/user-manual/management.adoc:
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@@ -585,7 +656,32 @@ This is also configured in broker.xml:
 </security-setting>
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-=== Example
+==== Fine grained RBAC on management messages
+There is optional RBAC on the content of the management messages sent to the 
management address.
+
+RBAC is enabled by providing a value for the attribute 
xref:configuration-index.adoc#management_rbac_suffix[management-rbac-suffix].
+With a `management-rbac-suffix` of `.control.` more fine-grained permissions 
on the management address can be configured using that suffix appended to the 
management address.

Review Comment:
   cleared that up. using different prefixes (and prefixes for both) for match 
address for messages and for jmx helps clarify. they are independent. the jmx. 
matches handled by the mbean guard, the management messages handled by the 
session that receives them. the manage permission is still required and is 
unchanged.





Issue Time Tracking
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    Worklog Id:     (was: 909603)
    Time Spent: 4h  (was: 3h 50m)

> add view and update permissions to augment the manage rbac for control 
> resources
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: ARTEMIS-4582
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ARTEMIS-4582
>             Project: ActiveMQ Artemis
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: Broker, Configuration, JMX, Web Console
>    Affects Versions: 2.31.0
>            Reporter: Gary Tully
>            Assignee: Gary Tully
>            Priority: Major
>          Time Spent: 4h
>  Remaining Estimate: 0h
>
> we have the manage permission that allows sending to the management address, 
> to access any control resource. We don't however distinguish what a user can 
> do.
> We should segment control operations into categories: CRUD provides a basis
> view for get/is (Read)
> update for set or operations that mutate or modify.
> We allow this sort of configuration via management.xml for jmx mbean access 
> but using a different model based on object name.
> All of the mbeans delegate to the control resources.
> If we add these two additional permissions then we can have a single rbac 
> model (that supports config reload) and more granularity on control resource 
> access from the management address.



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