On Nov 11 2012 6:28 AM, Morten Omholt Alver wrote:
> On 11 November 2012 14:00, EBo <e...@sandien.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 11 2012 3:34 AM, Morten Omholt Alver wrote:
>> > On 11 November 2012 03:25, EBo <e...@sandien.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Nov 10 2012 3:33 PM, Morten Omholt Alver wrote:
>> >> > On 10 November 2012 21:37, EBo <e...@sandien.com> wrote:
>>
>> According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibTeX
>>
>>    key: A hidden field used for specifying or overriding the
>> alphabetical order of entries (when the "author" and "editor" fields 
>> are
>> missing). Note that this is very different from the key (mentioned 
>> just
>> after this list) that is used to cite or cross-reference the entry.
>>
>> I have been using this in the past, and an [auth:key] works ok.  I 
>> was
>> just trying to use it for something inappropriate.
>>
>
> Ok, I didn't know about this key field.

The question is if we should be able to use this in place of missing 
authors.  I generally have this working under that case.

>> This generates the key M=anikyadevaS=urifl.12681327:1986:RRS.  What 
>> I
>> was hoping for is some way to overwrite either the author specific 
>> field
>> or the whole key that is generated.  Is there some way to use one 
>> field
>> if defined and stop there -- similar to [year:(unknown)] ?
>>
>
> Ok, the main problem I see here is that the = sign should be filtered 
> out
> from the generated key - we want the key generator to always generate 
> valid
> keys. I will add a check for this.

Agreed, but it goes a bit deeper that that -- any character modifyer 
(such as : ; = ' ` ...) should also be pulled out, but doing so could 
mess with unicode characters if not done correctly.

> Regarding conditional markers, there is such mechanism, so you'll 
> need to
> either include the author part or to omit it.

(from the follow up emails I understand that there is no such 
mechanism) - -but in a way there is with the [year:(unknown)] construct. 
"unknown" should only be put in the year field if the date of 
publication is unknown.  I was just hinking that it would be nice to 
generalize the idea.

>> ...
>
> In my experience you can get LaTeX/BibTeX to play fine with UTF-8
> formatting, thus removing the need for those TeX-specific character
> sequences. Regarding the specific needs posed by the texts you are
> referring to, there may be some challenges getting everything the way 
> you
> want it with BibTeX.

true.  I was just trying to get it as good as I can before moving on.  
The biggest problem I have had with that particular document is 
typesetting quotes (as they are all in Sanskrit -- which only has 
marginal support in LaTeX as you have to use special packages for the 
font variants).

>> ...
>>
>> The ebuild for 2.9_beta is one that I hacked from one I found for
>> 2.8.1, so I'm likely the one that will have to figure this out.  
>> Also, I
>> am already downloading and building from the source tarball
>> JabRef-2.9b-src.tar.bz2 from the JabRef site.
>>
>
> Using our packages you can build it with dependencies included and 
> not have
> to worry about wrong library versions. But I guess you want to make 
> an
> ebuild to share with the Gentoo community, and in that case I really 
> don't
> have the knowledge to help you out.

and I do not have enough java experience to help out much on your side, 
so we might find ourselves at a respective impasse ;-)

Morten, thanks for all your attention with looking into this.

   Best regards,


   EBo --

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