Sorry last email was a bit confusing, did cut and paste in the wrong email.
I try to reduce time on emails, and that sometimes reduces the quality of
response:
Please ignore the last email and read this one.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > I don't think much is to be gained by continuing this thread.
> > I really would like us to get over 2.1 and focus on 3.0.
>
> The only thing I'd like to gain from it is to ensure that we don't have
> similar issues for v3.

me too. :-)

One thing that would help a lot is a formal release manager. It could be an
active developer or even someone outside the group who feels strongly about
mail,
schedule/planning and can herd cats..

Would be good to have someone who has managed distributed  or open source
projects in the past where developers are not always available. Any takers ?

I think this is an extremely critical role and would help make us all more
successful with James.  We should also decide on what are we going to do in
the next major release.

>
> > I haven't seen any test added to verify the
> > functionality. We should augment our testing.
>
> Sounds like an opportunity.  Volunteering?  :-)

I hope to be more active in at least testing.


>
> > Hopefully NNTP will be a focus for 3.0 along with more testing.
>
> Thanks for reminding me!  Check out this thread:
>
>    http://www.mail-archive.com/general@;jakarta.apache.org/msg05985.html
>
> TestMaker sounds similar to what we talked about building with BSF.  But
> neither TestMaker nor JMeter seem to handle SMTP, POP3, NNTP or IMAP.
>

Started looking at it. It seems very python oriented.
One problem is that this approach seems to require significant coding
component in scripts. Scripts are not strongly typed and at least one level
of checks are lost.

It would be good to have some template based test capability. Preferably,
tied into a standard too.

For example it should be trivial to pick from RFC 821 section

-------------------------
   3.2.  FORWARDING

                         Example of Forwarding

      Either

      S: RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
      R: 251 User not local; will forward to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

      Or

      S: RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
      R: 551 User not local; please try <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-------------------------

And have script like

# forwarding test from RFC 821, Section 3.2
# user local
S: RCPT TO:test@localhost
C: 250.*
# user is not local
S: RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
C: 551.*


With a TestMaker it looks like a lot more work.

Harmeet



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