Bruce R Miller writes:
> It seemed to me only slightly more polite than saying:
> "If you dont like what you're given, shut up & go away!"
Well, isn't that the bottom line for activities nobody
gets paid for?
> it's also counter-productive to insult & hassle (or ignore)
> the potential users and would-be Java evangelists.
What they want is to talk to Sun. Blackdown can't do anything.
I personally have spent hours of my life lobbying for what I
want with JDC and individuals at Sun (XML javadoc, and a thin
layer immediate mode 3D API implementing ARB OpenGL Java
bindings in the JLS, in case somebody cares. And a Reclaimer
API to interface the GC). I doubt anything useful will ever
come out of my explanations (so I keep my eyes on possible
alternatives).
This list is not the best place to make known that the current
situation of "Java for Linux" hurts Java acceptance - on
Linux, and maybe in general.
I can make a case that, because Linux did not have a
thread-safe libdl.so a year ago, and because no Linux JDK
was available at that time for embedded VM solutions
(Invocation API) in a DLL loading architecture, a
commercial product shipping in the next few months, with
something between half a million and two million consumer
licenses expected, does not use Java. Mind you: 90% of
those licenses will be sold for Win32. Sun wouldn't care.
But then, the company would have preferred Kaffe anyway.
Sun just aims at different markets. Potential users and
would-be evangelists don't matter to them, why should they
matter to volunteers that have more pressing things to do?
> Really, it's the SITUATION that's frustrating; It's not the porters
> fault, not entirely even Sun's. But us Users have got to sit on our
> hands and wait.
This is not true. There are things you can try. It might
not work, but there is only one way to find out, and
afterwards you can claim that you have tried ad least.
This is not a TV-Show in which lack of progress has to
be made explicit every week.... At least take it up
with somebody whose fault it could be.
The one thing I regret is that I signed the source license
in 1995, so there isn't much I could do for Kaffe or Japhar.
Writing code is always more efficient than writing petitions.
b.
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