Michael Emmel wrote:
>Peter Graves wrote:
>
>> The authors of the Enlightenment window manager have some
>> interesting comments today about Java:
>>
>> http://www.enlightenment.org/news.html
>>
>> Their basic point is that "Java under X (AWT) is Broken"; they
>> don't mention which Java implementation they're referring to.
>>
[snip]
>
>Actually java works well under KDE some bugs under Windowmaker major bugs
>under Enlightenment .
>Gnome seems to break stuff too.
>I wont except bug reports for linux unless there verified under KDE.
This is the sort of unhelpful attitude we've been seeing from Sun as well:
so long as things work under CDE there isn't a problem. Well, there is a
problem. People use window managers other than KDE and CDE and Java
applications don't work the same way as other applications under, say, fvwm.
It's my understanding that the fundamental problem is as described in the
Enlightenment comments: Sun have made a (IMHO bad) design decision that
Java will attempt to subsume some of the functions of the window manager.
This requires Java to have much more knowledge about things like window
manager decorations than is reasonable to expect.
>
>Also java works under all the other Unixes Sun/SGI/HP that I've tested.
I've been tracking bug id 4102292 in the bug database. There are reports
there which confirm that there are problems with window positioning under
all sorts of window managers and operating systems. Including an
evaluation from Sun that the problem is reproducible under Solaris 2.6.
>
>I'd say its Enlightenment plus Gnome does not help. If your the only badly
>busted platfrom
>it aint X.
No, it ain't X, and it ain't just Enlightenment. It's a fundamental problem
in Java which affects many window managers.
Until bug 4102292 is fixed I'm unhappy about deploying Java applications.
The behaviour of Java applications with respect to window positioning differs
from other applications on the same platform. This irritates me and I'm
sure it would irritate our customers.
Ron
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