Kirk: Please, consider what you are saying before you send notes like this.
If nobody ever aired their grievances (in a reasonably calm manner), then the posse listeners would consist of naught but Posse fanboys, in it just for the crew, and in general such audiences never grow; they only shrink. The fact that William felt the need to post this is a good indicator that he in fact cares quite a bit about the posse and the content they talk about. Full disclosure: I might be a little bit biased in that even I'm getting a bit tired of the endless iPhone conversations, especially because its become a parrot at this point: Every time it gets brought up, A) Joe will beat the usability drum, and B) Carl and Tor will immediately agree. Then, C) Dick essentially agrees with a little less enthusiasm and gets drowned out by vocal fanboyism for 10 minutes which Dick eventually shuts down forcibly. I get why; as programmers who have long figured out that usability trumps just about every other concern, -believe you me- I get how frustrating it can be to beat some sense into others, but, seriously, guys, we're right there with you. I get it, though - its normal and actually great for our industry if companies that treat their employees so well that they feel the need to defend them even if they don't work there anymore. That and the apple employee embargo on talking about apple, and I'd be doing the same thing, most likely. In closing, I've tried to convey the following: The posse is the posse and they can do whatever they want. Any complaints voiced here or elsewhere should be considered constructive criticism. This missive exists solely for -your- benefit; if you want to take it into account, that's great. If you are happier harping on about apple products, that's okay too. I'll keep listening either way, really. It's just be happier if the apple stuff got toned down just a smidge - preferably less rehash and more real discussion and facts/ news. NB: Nigel, Apple tends to get a free pass partly because the IT community is very hive minded, so a few apple apologists is all it takes, especially considering that about half of the movers and shakers in that industry own macs and thank apple almost every day for making their life more productive. It's just hard to complain about a company that you pretty much rely on for your daily life. Of course, that same argument explains why you should in fact complain, loudly and vocally, if apple screws over something you hold dear and should NOT give them a free pass. I'm afraid that, if apple ever gets to their 25% market share, that they gather critical mass and become the microsoft of the industry inside a span of a year or 3. I strongly feel that Apple would out-microsoft microsoft if given the chance, so we should teach them that the IT community can be a royal pain in your behind instead of a priceless pool of evangelists. On Oct 6, 11:52 am, kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please, consider what you are saying before you send notes like this. If > you don't like a segment, move on!!!! > > Regards, > Kirk > > gullcatcher wrote: > > Dick, Joe, Carl, Tor > > > I've been listening to the JavaPosse since episode 16. I would > > consider myself a long time listener. > > > It's always interesting hearing you guys rap knowledgeably about > > matters technical, whether it be Scala or Java or whatever. > > > I appreciate you only have the time to cover everything. I realise > > this isn't your day job. > > > But guys. Seriously. Shut up about the iPhone. I haven't got an > > iPhone. I don't want an iPhone. I'm so frickin' bored of the iPhone > > talk. I have a little more tolerance with the Apple bias, but you > > know, even that's getting tired. > > > Java seems to be a second class citizen in the world of Apple > > products, and the portable devices aren't very developer friendly. So, > > tell me, where does this fit in with a Java developer's listening > > agenda? > > > Please, don't jump the shark you guys. > > > William Ruben --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
