I definitely never schedule 25 minutes of iTalk. I think the only
remaining topics that will bring up the iPhone again is when Java is
running on it (and maybe flash - I do believe that both are just a
matter of time). There will naturally be some comparisons with other
platforms like Android as well - the iPhone has set the bar for what a
consumer device should be, and other platforms will have to measure up
to it (inevitably they will be compared).

I think that we will definitely see Android compare well against it
soon, and hopefully openmoko too (I love what they are trying to do,
but right now I feel like using the openmoko would be a lot like using
my old zaurus 5500, cool as hell to fiddle with, but a productivity
nightmare for actually getting anything done).

As for Macs, I do use a mac laptop although I am seriously considering
getting one of the toshiba ultra-light books and putting ubuntu on
there. As Tor mentioned, my primary setup is a Linux Ubuntu machine
which is frankly the best Java development environment I have ever
used, especially since I upgraded the CPU recently. I am outnumbered
on the podcast though, so as much as I would love to schedule a 25
minute chat about Linux on the podcast, I suspect it would be a rather
one sided conversation. :-).

Cheers

Dick

P.S. A tip I picked up while working as a Google developer advocate -
if you want to send a critical email or message, always read it
through as though you were the recipient before sending it. If there
is something in there that you would not like to read over your
morning coffee, you might think about re-wording that part of the
message. The real trick is to get your point across without upsetting
anyone, and the best part is, it is more likely to be heeded that
way ;-). As has been pointed out on this thread already, we absolutely
do want feedback and criticism, otherwise we don't know what people
want, but it's always nicer to read something when it doesn't
immediately put your back up :-).

On Oct 7, 10:59 pm, "Joe Nuxoll (Java Posse)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I love my iPhone.  :-)
>
> I am very used to having it, it is no longer a novelty but an
> essential part of my life.  I left it at home by accident one day last
> week, and it was irritating as hell.
>
> Even *I* must admit, however...  There's not a lot more to say about
> it.   There isn't really much more drum-beating required.
>
> Feedback taken, and thanks for listening...
>
>  - Joe
>
> On Oct 7, 10:21 pm, carl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think I'm getting tired of talking about iPhones too. You're right--
> > we often rehash the same discussion.
>
> > I hope we'll move on to Android for awhile, since that's all the rage
> > now. :)
>
> > On Oct 7, 6:42 am, Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Hey... don't forget the OpenMoko, which is, arguably, even more open
> > > than the Android platform and has at least a couple of JVM ports,
> > > albeit work in progress. Shame that the software is lagging behind the
> > > hardware so much. I have an iPhone but some of my jobs require me to
> > > remove my phone battery - can't do that with the iPhone, so the old V3
> > > gets a day out on those occasions - but the OpenMoko will get the nod
> > > for these gigs once the software quality is good enough. I amy even go
> > > back to C/C++ programming to write some stuff for it in advance of the
> > > JVM port arriving...
>
> > > Phil.
>
> > > On Oct 6, 5:05 pm, Tor Norbye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > ...
>
> > > > We were discussing the Android news last night (for the next episode)
> > > > and I think we were able to stay mostly on Android-topic...
>
> > > > As I've said before -- I don't admire Apple's Java policy. I don't
> > > > admire their developer polibcy. I don't admire their tight lipped
> > > > plans policy. And I hope Android succeeds since I'd rather have an
> > > > open functional device than a closed functional device. But I also
> > > > admire polished products that work.
>
> > > > -- Tor
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