It's no good for nerds, though: you need both hands to pop pimples.
They'll have to wait for the wristphone with camera.

On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 06:45 -0800, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
> Blast it all! My argument, obliterated by fashion sense.
> 
> On Feb 2, 10:48 am, Steven Herod <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I saw the killer application of forward facing video camera on a phone
> > today on the train.
> >
> > A woman was using it to check her hair.
> >
> > It's apparent we don't understand the real, compelling uses of
> > technology.
> >
> > On Feb 2, 9:53 am, Michael Neale <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes I think GSM holds a lot of things back I am afraid.
> >
> > > Unfortunately it will take a while to happen, once things move away
> > > from GSM around the world and into more IP based options (I guess??
> > > but not a telco expert). At the moment no one has interest in this.
> >
> > > On Jan 31, 3:52 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > Hey Peter, Michael:
> >
> > > > I apologize, I should have been more specific. I meant: video call -on
> > > > a mobile phone-. I make video calls routinely when I'm behind my desk.
> > > > But when I'm using a mobile phone (which presumes that I'm not already
> > > > seated behind a computer and therefore probably on the move, busy, or
> > > > distracted): Never even had the slightest itch for it.
> >
> > > > As far as video calling for kitchens and the like - the idea being
> > > > that you can chat while busily preparing something: Sure, but, it's
> > > > not going to be with a mobile phone, because you'd have to put it on a
> > > > stand. Perhaps 1984-esque tv/camera combo screens all around the
> > > > house, with a central computer system that figures out where you are
> > > > and routes your (video)calls to the right screen/camera device. That
> > > > seems more likely to me.
> >
> > > > As for voice quality: I had that exact same idea a while back. Why do
> > > > iPhones and android phones still use a crappy outdated algorithm? If
> > > > they packed-switched the voice data using a modern algorithm that can
> > > > rely on a far better CPU, then the voice quality could triple without
> > > > using more bandwidth. Let alone that bandwidth isn't nearly as big an
> > > > issue these days. Unfortunately the GSM standard doesn't really allow
> > > > that kind of flexibility. I don't know if continuous streams of
> > > > packets across the 3G are more demanding for a cell tower than a
> > > > standard GSM voice block. If they are, that would certainly be a
> > > > roadblock. Perhaps the phones can encode a better quality audio INTO
> > > > the gsm voice stream. That'd be an awesome hack. When the call is
> > > > routed, your phones will beep at each other to realize they both speak
> > > > this protocol, and then, -bing-, your voice quality just improves
> > > > markedly on the spot. Would be a nice sell for either the iPhone or
> > > > android phones: Convince your friend to buy this phone too - your
> > > > calls will sound soo much better!
> >
> > > > On Jan 30, 11:53 pm, Peter Becker <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
> >
> > > > > [...]> Video calling has been available for years and I haven't ever, 
> > > > > -
> > > > > > ever-, seen anyone do it. Care to name an exception? Are you video
> > > > > > calling?
> >
> > > > > I have to out myself: I do. Admittedly I'm only using MSN/Skype/etc 
> > > > > on a
> > > > > computer and it all started with grandparents watching a baby/toddler 
> > > > > on
> > > > > the other side of the world, but I have also used it with my friends
> > > > > that I rarely see in real life since we are all modern nomads.
> >
> > > > > It's not going to replace normal phone call, though (at least not for
> > > > > me). My mobile phone doesn't have the second camera and I don't care.
> > > > > Webcam into the room or on top of my netbook is convenient and I can
> > > > > certainly see someone setting up a videoconferencing configuration in
> > > > > their kitchen in the near future. Maybe then it becomes interesting to
> > > > > video-call in from a mobile, but I personally don't see myself running
> > > > > around with my mobile phone held up in front of me.
> >
> > > > >   Peter
> > 


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