"legal innovation" has surely got to be an oxymoron! Such "innovation" has given us:
Limited liability for shareholders whose company breaks laws or goes bust leaving creditors suffering 3/5 of a vote for slaves software patents the threat of libel suits for journalists who report on dodgy practices, sometimes even life-threatening ones music companies that sue their own customers no win no fee lawyers driving up everybody's insurance premiums through frivolous lawsuits ... I could go on! On 20 May 2010 16:27, Josh Suereth <[email protected]> wrote: > So It's best to use innovative underhanded legal and political tactics? > That's like the best of both worlds right? > > - Josh > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Kevin Wright < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I think the core differences between Apple and Microsoft here are: >> >> Microsoft never claimed to be a champion of open standards, Apple has >> Apple had a publicly stated goal to be the best possible platform for Java >> development >> >> I for one have no objection to the principle of making money, so long as >> this isn't done at the cost of other ideals. >> What I do object to is making that money by externalising costs (such as >> pollution or other environmental damage), or by defeating competition >> through FUD, politics and marketing tactics instead of simply having a >> superior product, or by promising one thing and delivering another, or by >> suppressing "unfavourable" information such as safety reports, medical >> trials, etc.. >> >> The real issue here is not that Apple wants to make money - very few >> people don't. The real issues here are that Apple courted Java developers >> then jilted us at the altar, that they are pushing a closed-source, >> expensive, licensed codec as being open, and that they are now fighting >> competition in the mobile space by underhanded legal and political tactics >> instead of through innovation and offering a superior product. >> >> >> On 20 May 2010 15:31, Rakesh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I've been thinking about the recent Apple controversies and have come >>> to the conclusion that (in this forum at least) it says more about the >>> people buying the products than Apple itself. >>> >>> So here are some statements about Apple and Steve Jobs, please tell me >>> if I am wrong: >>> >>> 1. Wants to control what you can do with its products. >>> 2. Couldn't care less about Java or Java developers (in the large). >>> 3. Wants to make money, lots and lots of money using traditional >>> capitalist principles (as opposed to that BS Sun was trying to do by >>> giving away its software for free). >>> >>> Now the above could apply to Microsoft too but no one would bat an >>> eyelid. >>> >>> So why the heated debates? Simple, loads of you have gone out and >>> bought Apple products and can't stand that the company behind these >>> products does not subscribe to your world view. >>> >>> If you really have an issue with the way Apple does business - stop >>> buying their products. >>> >>> R >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kevin Wright >> >> mail/google talk: [email protected] >> wave: [email protected] >> skype: kev.lee.wright >> twitter: @thecoda >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: [email protected] wave: [email protected] skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
