Its up again now. On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Christian Catchpole <[email protected] > wrote:
> Fat yak http://twitpic.com/1u143o > > On Jun 5, 10:31 am, Robert Casto <[email protected]> wrote: > > Point well taken. Had 6 machines that wouldn't run Ubuntu for some > reason. > > It was someone else's problem thankfully but I've been there way too many > > times. It took me a week to find our latest bug and get it fixed. There > were > > actually 3 separate problems all causing a stream we were serving to not > > work. One bug is much easier to fix than 3 all causing things to be > broken. > > > > This weekend its the Strawberry Festival. Enjoy your sausages! > > > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Christian Catchpole < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > "maintenance" is often code for "broken" :) > > > > > in this case you very well could be right. someone said "take down > > > that site" and someone else pulls out a plug. > > > > > i wonder of the admins of JCP are reading this thread and thinking: "I > > > was going to post but I think i'll just keep clear" :) > > > > > i spent last weekend fighting with several routers none of which want > > > to cooperate. this weekend im going to drink beer and eat sausages. > > > > > On Jun 5, 7:30 am, Robert Casto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thanks for toning it down a bit. > > > > > > No, I'm not saying they are happy to let it happen. I'm saying they > > > should > > > > have done something when they realized things would not come back > > > quickly. > > > > > > Site maintenance is a known occurrence. Before doing the maintenance, > > > they > > > > probably should have had a plan in place in case things went bad. A > roll > > > > back of some sort, another server where they could put of a page > saying > > > they > > > > are experiencing problems. I'm not saying they are happy with it. I'm > > > saying > > > > they were caught unprepared and instead of leaving the site dead for > 3-4 > > > > days, there should have been a contingency plan. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Christian Catchpole < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Yeah this is probably getting unnessisarily heated. My appologies > if > > > > > anyone is offended. But I will sumerise: > > > > > > > I know what your point is but I'm suggesting it's never that simple > in > > > > > reality. > > > > > > > Just as an example: what if they were going from one server to > another > > > > > and the cut over didn't work. Due to someones incompetence perhaps. > > > > > You are saying you are 100% sure having the site totally down was > > > > > their intent or they were happy to let that happen. I'm saying we > just > > > > > don't know that. > > > > > > > And I shall leave it at that. > > > > > Thanks Robert > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 11:01 pm, Robert Casto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > As I said, I give up. The net is full of people who just won't > hear > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > being said. I never said that a site can't ever go down. My > effort > > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > to say that a site should inform its users in some way as to why > the > > > site > > > > > is > > > > > > down. The most direct method would be to have a page up that > tells > > > users > > > > > the > > > > > > site is down. That can be done in a number of ways. A site should > > > never > > > > > just > > > > > > disappear. There were no announcements, no page saying they were > > > down, no > > > > > > emails, nothing. People were asking questions in this group about > the > > > > > site > > > > > > because it appeared that they turned off the lights and left. > That > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > something was going on at Oracle. That is bad public relations > and to > > > > > > minimize the damage, getting the word out there proactively is > best. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I give up on this topic. I have made my point and no one > is > > > > > > interested except to tell me why I'm wrong in some way. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:24 AM, Christian Catchpole < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I just don't think you realise the reality of networks. Its as > if > > > you > > > > > > > are saying "no site should ever be down, including the JCP". > It > > > may > > > > > > > be something beyond their control. It might have been their > > > service > > > > > > > provider making a mistake. > > > > > > > > > If twitter and facebook can go down, I think the JCP can. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 3:50 pm, Robert Casto <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm quite surprised at everyone making so many allowances. If > > > this > > > > > site > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > Amazon.com, Apple.com, or CNN.com; you can bet they would > have > > > had > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > up right away. I know this site isn't that big or as > important. I > > > > > guess > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > alone on this one. Sorry to trouble everyone. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Peter Becker < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On03/06/10 14:41, Robert Casto wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> It doesn't matter what happened. It is not that hard to > change > > > > > some > > > > > > > domain > > > > > > > > >> records to point to another machine somewhere and put up a > > > simple > > > > > page > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >> tells people what is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > In some sense it actually is -- due to the fact that domain > > > records > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > cached across the world. Changing the entry is easy, but > then > > > it > > > > > can > > > > > > > take a > > > > > > > > > very long time to affect people. And it can take as long to > go > > > > > back. > > > > > > > > > > > Normally it should be pretty straightforward to route the > HTTP > > > > > traffic > > > > > > > to a > > > > > > > > > different server (a netbook can serve a small static page > > > easily). > > > > > If > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > network is disconnected from the world life gets much > harder, > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > And of course there is always the chance that people > believed > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > "nearly fixed" a bit too much. After all setting up an > > > alternative > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > takes resources from fixing the real problem. > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > Google > > > > > > > Groups > > > > > > > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > > > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > > > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Robert Castowww.IWantFreeShipping.com > > > > > > > > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > > > Groups > > > > > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Robert Castowww.IWantFreeShipping.com > > > > > > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups > > > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > Robert Castowww.IWantFreeShipping.com > > > > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Robert Castowww.IWantFreeShipping.com > > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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