On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:08, Viktor Klang <[email protected]> wrote:
> Martin, I think you're confusing "Java" the language with "the Java Virtual
> Machine",

In reality I was talking about both. I know the difference and I know
that the JVM as even more weight nowadays.


> Java as a language has got a ton of legacy and not enough room to evolve
> when it's basically requiering both source and binary compatibility with 
> older code.

And what do you think about C(++) - you could say it has a ton of
legacy too or evolving too slow. Since VB 4.0 (not the .NET - I mean
the older version) up to 6.0 there were no significant language
improvements and despite this it has been used for about 10 years in a
lot of projects.
Many years went by between releases of Windows without anybody saying,
it is dead.

I have suffered a lot from problems while using languages that are
still evolving and I am happy about a little consistency and a
language that can be considered as stable.


> The JVM on the other hand is an amazing piece of tech that allows us to run
> bytecode based software on A LOT of platforms.

Of course the JVM is the base under the Java language that is used as
a destination platform for many other compilers - and of course we
don't want yet another runtime.

But I find, that Java is still of interest and there are still people
learning Java and so people learning C(++) from zero. The Java posse
does not necessarily need to focus on the core Java when talking about
the Java language. There is a lot of Java libraries, frameworks and
components they could talk about.
-- 
Martin Wildam

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