just to bring things back to the OP... I've just spent the last 20 minutes explaining to my fellow Java dev what the JavaPosse is as he noticed me reading through this group.
I told him that I started listening way back when (even when it was just Dick and this other guy who went MIA). In those days, it was so good to get a Java focused podcast that really helped keep me up to date with minimal effort (my dev friend asked what was wrong with checking manually through the news feeds and blogs). I told him these days though it seems to be less focused and I don't get as much from the podcast as I used to. This is mostly due to Joe. His topics are of little interest to me as they are barely Java relevant are he demands more of the podcast length than he used to. And the Apple discussions are far from objective and so pointless. A typical hour long episode will have a third of useful Java related content I'd say now. Perhaps it wasn't intentional but the old podcast felt like it was "by Java devs FOR Java devs". Sure there was content that I wasn't personally interested in (Java ME, Swing, etc) but that was fine since the Java eco system is quite large and I don't think the Posse members were pure server-side coders like me anyway. I understand that Joe brings different topics to the able in the name of increasing listenership. The downside is that more people will find less of the podcast relevant. Let me give you an analogy: Should the JavaPosse be like the News at 10 - less about individual types of stories, more about the headlines in Tech at the moment. Or should it be like BBC Click (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/default.stm) - a more focused collection of stories around a high-level topic. With the News At Ten, you get stories about Paris Hilton coming to the UK and causing riots, but with Click you don't. Some have already commented that the title of the show is JAVA-Posse which makes it feel like it should be about Java. Rakesh On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe that parrot is actually going to target LLVM: > http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/JITRewrite > plus there's all the love it's getting from google's native code plugin, > amongst others. > (see! not one single joke about joining the choir invisible, despite the > temptation...) > > On 16 June 2010 12:27, Casper Bang <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Why LLVM and not Parrot? (I admit, while the JVM has gotten far as to >> optimization I still consider it too heavy for anything but servers >> and the PermGen too unreliable.) >> >> On Jun 16, 1:12 pm, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >> > You're right about there not being a golden hammer language, but with >> > LLVM I >> > think we're perhaps getting close to having a golden hammer platform... >> > (for >> > a given definition of "platform") >> > >> > So it ain't all doom&gloom! >> > >> > On 16 June 2010 12:05, Carl Jokl <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > I wish VB would die. >> > >> > > If the job advertisements are anything to go by in the UK there still >> > > seem to be quite a few posts going for VB .Net developers. Perhaps you >> > > mean classic VB. Office still uses VBA and didn't move that to >> > > VB .Net. >> > > It VB stuck to being used for what it was designed for then i.e. a COM >> > > scripting language it was fine for that but things got ugly when >> > > people decided to try and build enterprise grade applications in VB >> > > which the language was never designed for. The whole situation with >> > > JavaScript reminds me of this too. JavaScript was just supposed to be >> > > a glue language for the browser and yet people are pushing it to try >> > > and do more complex heavy lifting which it was never designed to do. >> > >> > > There is no golden hammer programming language. The more I sample >> > > different languages and platforms the more clear it is that they all >> > > have strengths and weaknesses. I wish I could dismiss .Net as being >> > > really bad but some of it is quite well though out. The down side >> > > tends to be the political baggage that goes with the platform rather >> > > than the technology being really bad. I don't hate C/C++ and maybe the >> > > geeky side of me enjoys doing some low level stuff now and >> > > again but when I consider how long it would take to build an >> > > application of any given size and complexity in C/C++ it is a slow >> > > going language to develop in. Sometimes there is no choice but to go >> > > native to solve some problems. >> > >> > > Much as I am not as enthusiastic about Java as I once was that hasn't >> > > seemed to push me toward another platform. It is the community that >> > > makes me want to stay with Java. 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