What I fear most is the mentality that: "We must talk to the CTOs, managers underneath them have to do what they're told, and isn't there some kind of group of peons under the managers as well?"
On 31 August 2010 12:28, Jess Holle <[email protected]> wrote: > What about heavy pressure on Oracle via all possible venues so that they > feel they need to establish a different tone in their JavaOne keynote? > > I don't think Oracle cares much about upsetting a small minority of the > community. If they get the impression that those who are concerned/upset > are either not a small minority or are sufficiently vocal to upset the rest > of the community, then I believe they'll adjust their approach (as little as > they feel they can get away with, of course). > > -- > Jess Holle > > > On 8/31/2010 6:13 AM, Jan Goyvaerts wrote: > > What about a little patience to see the keynote of JavaOne ? :-) > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 13:10, Kevin Wright <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Anyone for LLVM + VMKit? :P >> >> >> On 31 August 2010 11:53, Jan Goyvaerts <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I'm afraid the opensource hardcore Java developers won't have an easy >>> time to get rid of oracle: >>> >>> * JavaFX, Scala or anything requiring the JVM is out - unless you're >>> running something non-oracle like OpenJDK. >>> * Your IDE is Eclipse or Intellij. Because jDeveloper and Netbeans is >>> Oracle's now. >>> * Your database is not MySQL anymore either. >>> * Your office package is not OpenOffice anymore. >>> * Your CI is not Hudson anymore. >>> >>> Not to mention Oracle and your management don't give a damn about this >>> debate either. Good luck telling them Java is to be disposed off because its >>> owner is considered evil now. I'd like to see that. :-) >>> >>> I'm afraid the choice is not ours any more. >>> >>> So... what d'you have ? :-) >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:34, Romain Pelisse <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I would that Java is more in his mid forties, so Java buy yourself a >>>> fancy car (Scala ?), start to play the Guitar in a band (JavaFX ? :) ), and >>>> probably work a little bit less... ! >>>> >>>> >>>> On 31 August 2010 11:30, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Java is not dead. >>>>> >>>>> Like all good parents, it has sat and patiently raised its children, >>>>> and they are now adults themselves. >>>>> and also, like most parents with grown-up children, it's reached >>>>> retirement age. >>>>> >>>>> So, Java, we salute you, and all you have done in raising >>>>> a successful family. >>>>> Be proud of your achievements... >>>>> and get out there on that golf course to enjoy a less stressful >>>>> existence for the remainder of your years! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 31 August 2010 10:22, Romain Pelisse <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think that Java is already dead, we simply don't care about it :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I mean the last "dead technology" was C or C++ - people are still >>>>>> using those, the previous one was probably Cobol, still a lot of people >>>>>> using those and there is even backport of tools such as JUnit for Cobol ! >>>>>> >>>>>> Java has been there for so long that it is not going to disappear >>>>>> like Forte 4GL did overnight (but you might people using Forte, so even >>>>>> on >>>>>> this I maybe wrong). Perhaps we have reached a peak and Java will go >>>>>> slowly >>>>>> down, perhaps not. But Java is dead statement are plain nonsense. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think Java is getting older, that for sure. Java is no longer the >>>>>> language of choice for crazy new idea or new project. The slow adoption >>>>>> of >>>>>> Git/Mercurial in the Java world is a good hint to that (I think). late >>>>>> 2008 >>>>>> and early 2009 most of major non Java related Open Souce moved to Git or >>>>>> Mercurial. This shift happened one year later in the Java world. >>>>>> >>>>>> Java is like an old person, he doesn't run as he did in his youth, >>>>>> but he is far from being dead... >>>>>> >>>>>> On 31 August 2010 10:27, Fabrizio Giudici < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've first heard that statement around 2001/2002. It was the first >>>>>>> time I started hearing that Java was dead, and at the time I got >>>>>>> seriously worried as I focused on Java since the inception of my >>>>>>> career - at the time, Java was six years old and it was not >>>>>>> surprising >>>>>>> for a technology of that age to have reached its peak. I seriously >>>>>>> started looking around to discover what could have been the "next >>>>>>> thing" so I wasn't trapped into a dead end. Then I learned that it >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> just nonsense and I stopped worrying. Of course, Java will eventually >>>>>>> die and I have to be careful not to be trapped into a dead end, but I >>>>>>> understood that those statements are not the proper canary in the >>>>>>> coal >>>>>>> mine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - -- >>>>>>> Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager >>>>>>> Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." >>>>>>> java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>>> Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) >>>>>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkx8vPsACgkQeDweFqgUGxcWhgCfVGXxijXEnc47FGmlHj3+7oxS >>>>>>> hlMAniJV5OzoHX2r2aK6x78T4RscTsWL >>>>>>> =lJR0 >>>>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Romain PELISSE, >>>>>> "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will >>>>>> insist on coming along and trying to put things in it" -- Terry Pratchett >>>>>> http://belaran.eu/ >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kevin Wright >>>>> >>>>> mail/google talk: [email protected] >>>>> wave: [email protected] >>>>> skype: kev.lee.wright >>>>> twitter: @thecoda >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Romain PELISSE, >>>> "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will >>>> insist on coming along and trying to put things in it" -- Terry Pratchett >>>> http://belaran.eu/ >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kevin Wright >> >> mail/google talk: [email protected] >> wave: [email protected] >> skype: kev.lee.wright >> twitter: @thecoda >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: [email protected] wave: [email protected] skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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