Is OpenJDK independent from Oracle ? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 16:24, Robert Casto <[email protected]> wrote:
> I very much like where this thread is headed. > > Having viable options with Java that Oracle can not touch sounds like a win > for the community. There is a lot of value in those libraries that can be > leveraged by a developer. That makes them productive and of benefit to a > company. If all we have to do is change the underlying VM to something that > is safe from Oracle, then so be it. I'm sure that VM would get a lot more > attention from the community to make it great for production use. > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Kevin Wright <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Funny really, in OS design the small core, big libs approach has long been >> preferred. >> >> The windows NT MicroKernel dates back to 1993 >> The original Unix Kernel, 1973 >> >> In programming languages, it's not so clear-cut. LISP dates back to 1958, >> and even then you could define your own control constructs within the >> language - the actual spec is VERY small. >> >> C++ and derivatives (including Java, C#) broke from this, with >> higher-level constructs such as `for`, `switch` and `while` being deeply >> embedded at the library level and in the VM. Clojure, Scala and F# are once >> again pulling the pendulum back again to the small kernel, big libs idea >> (working with the VM as necessary), and LLVM is doing the same sort of thing >> at a lower level. For example, tail-call optimisation against the JVM is >> currently achieved through a technique known as "trampolining" ( >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail_recursion#Implementation_methods) >> >> So perhaps with the shifting trends in languages, a lighter weight VM >> really is the right way to go, especially if VMKit & co. can be used to >> allow us to get at all those juicy open-source libs... >> >> >> >> >> On 31 August 2010 13:25, Miroslav Pokorny <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> The reason Java became the most popular platform on the planet is because >>> of all the oss libraries. Nothing out there beats or even comes close in >>> comparison. Good luck with such a richness of choice and quality in dotnet >>> land. Maybe java is not quite as fancy as c# but in the end we are all most >>> of the time just the guy who adds glue between one library and something >>> else. Maybe Java is a bit more verbose or not as elegant...but in the end >>> that does not matter, because what we lose in elegance and language features >>> is more than offseted by magnitudes with oss. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kevin Wright >> >> mail/google talk: [email protected] >> wave: [email protected] >> skype: kev.lee.wright >> twitter: @thecoda >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Robert Casto > www.robertcasto.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
