Would a fork be possible without a risk of being sued ? If forking makes sense here ...
I'm not exactly familiar with the licensing schemes either. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 16:41, Robert Casto <[email protected]> wrote: > Hard to say. HotSpot is GPL but is maintained by Oracle and other > companies. The implementation may be open source, but the intellectual > property is probably Oracle's. What that means for an implementation that is > licensed through GPL is for greater minds to say. > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Jan Goyvaerts <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Is OpenJDK independent from Oracle ? >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 16:24, Robert Casto <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I very much like where this thread is headed. >>> >>> Having viable options with Java that Oracle can not touch sounds like a >>> win for the community. There is a lot of value in those libraries that can >>> be leveraged by a developer. That makes them productive and of benefit to a >>> company. If all we have to do is change the underlying VM to something that >>> is safe from Oracle, then so be it. I'm sure that VM would get a lot more >>> attention from the community to make it great for production use. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Kevin Wright >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Funny really, in OS design the small core, big libs approach has long >>>> been preferred. >>>> >>>> The windows NT MicroKernel dates back to 1993 >>>> The original Unix Kernel, 1973 >>>> >>>> In programming languages, it's not so clear-cut. LISP dates back to >>>> 1958, and even then you could define your own control constructs within the >>>> language - the actual spec is VERY small. >>>> >>>> C++ and derivatives (including Java, C#) broke from this, with >>>> higher-level constructs such as `for`, `switch` and `while` being deeply >>>> embedded at the library level and in the VM. Clojure, Scala and F# are >>>> once >>>> again pulling the pendulum back again to the small kernel, big libs idea >>>> (working with the VM as necessary), and LLVM is doing the same sort of >>>> thing >>>> at a lower level. For example, tail-call optimisation against the JVM is >>>> currently achieved through a technique known as "trampolining" ( >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail_recursion#Implementation_methods) >>>> >>>> So perhaps with the shifting trends in languages, a lighter weight VM >>>> really is the right way to go, especially if VMKit & co. can be used to >>>> allow us to get at all those juicy open-source libs... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 31 August 2010 13:25, Miroslav Pokorny >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> The reason Java became the most popular platform on the planet is >>>>> because of all the oss libraries. Nothing out there beats or even comes >>>>> close in comparison. Good luck with such a richness of choice and quality >>>>> in >>>>> dotnet land. Maybe java is not quite as fancy as c# but in the end we are >>>>> all most of the time just the guy who adds glue between one library and >>>>> something else. Maybe Java is a bit more verbose or not as elegant...but >>>>> in >>>>> the end that does not matter, because what we lose in elegance and >>>>> language >>>>> features is more than offseted by magnitudes with oss. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kevin Wright >>>> >>>> mail/google talk: [email protected] >>>> wave: [email protected] >>>> skype: kev.lee.wright >>>> twitter: @thecoda >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Casto >>> www.robertcasto.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Robert Casto > www.robertcasto.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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