On Nov 10, 10:20 am, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, the point is: Apache was right in that try, but _they lose_. My > point is not that one should not oppose to Sun/Oracle policies, but that > one should do in a constructive way. What did ASF get in a few years of > obstructionism with Sun? There was lots of behind the scenes activity to try and resolve the issue both before and after the open letter. Some of that is private which is why it can seem like obstructionism for no benefit. As such, you really only have my word that the approach taken did have the opportunity to suceed.
> Nothing. And what do you think they're going to > get now, with a stronger Oracle and furthermore backed up by IBM? Only > noise. I agree on insisting on a point, as far as that point can be > still saved. Not when it has been lost and it would be better to focus > energy on something else. That is exactly what is happening. The ASF believe that no further progress can be made, and the Java SE 7 vote is the marker point to them moving on (leaving the JCP). Feel free to disagree with the choice of leaving the JCP - I personally encouraged a more moderate position. > But I don't see the point in making more difficult the release of > Java 7. The "why Java 7" question is common and one without a simple answer sadly. Some thoughts: (1) Most JSRs only need 50% support, platform JSRs need 66%, so its an easier pressure point. (2) The platform JSR is a pressure point that has been used before. (3) Every other member of the JCP EC (except Sun) signed up to the ASF's position and agreed to use Java SE 7 JSR as the pressure point. (4) Java SE 7 is indirectly connected to Java SE 5, the JSR in dispute (as they are both Java SE) Feel free to have an opinion on the validity of any of these. Its mostly just a suitable line in the sand (agreed by everyone in the JCP EC). Sun could have tried to force through the Java SE 7 years ago. But they chose not to, probably because they weren't strong enough. Now IBM has changed its opinion, the game is different. Unless the earth moves in the next couple of weeks, Java SE 7 will pass and the new world order starts. Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
