> Please be careful not to put words in my mouth, or Fabrizio's. I did
> not say that ASF's obstructionism is responsible for the "sorry state
> of Java" (and I didn't say _that_ either… on the server and on
> Android, Java is doing great).  

My intention was to point out that in longing for a "working, vibrant
open technology" we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
That Java is currently in a bit of a sorry state were my own words
inferred from all the recent bad news, and a general acceptance that
Java is failing to provide assistance to developers fighting
increasingly complex applications. It might be doing OK on the server
so far, but it's getting heavy competition and is generally on the
decline [http://goo.gl/KASe7] - in spite of the significant focus
given to it by Android.

I guess I just wish you'd argue for why we should allow Java to be
pushed as an open standard when clearly it's not. You're doomed if you
abide by the 3 existing official profiles (Apache Harmony) and you're
doomed if you step out of bounds of them (Android). How do you not see
that as a problem?

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