> Sure, Java is not an open standard. In the perfect world it would be,
> but a working, vibrant open technology that is not an open standard is
> better than nothing.

I digress, much of Java has not been working or vibrant for a very
long time - it took Google to throw some new logs on the fire yet
Oracle is standing with a fire hose. I admire your optimism, that we
can just humour the firemen and enjoy the pretty fire, but I remain
unconvinced that Apache's "obstructionism" is to blame for the sorry
state of Java... Sun handled that all by themselves. On the contrary,
I feel obliged to point out just what Apache has done for the Java
community: http://projects.apache.org/indexes/alpha.html

Oracle can just grant them a license, as to their contractual
agreement, and things roll again. How hard is that?

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