On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 23:38 -0700, Vince O'Sullivan wrote: > And don't forget 4. By the time they had delivered Java 6, it was such a > mess internally that Sun were incapable of delivering Java 7 before they > went bust and Oracle had to pick up the pieces. And, internally, it's > still such a mess that getting Java 8 out is still a major uphill battle.
Currently the sole motivation for Java 8 is lambdas. Currently the lambdas stuff is not integrated into the OpenJDK codebase. OpenJDK is the reference implementation and represents the current state. Java 8 is thus not in a fit state to release and so delay is effectively mandatory. Java 8 will still be good when it arrives, but possible redundant given Groovy and Scala are already at where Java is trying to get. > On Saturday, 20 April 2013 01:04:29 UTC+1, JessHolle wrote: > > > > I think Oracle had initially promoted the notion that they had the > > resources, discipline, and release management skill to get Java releases > > out on predictable basis. > > > > It was a nice notion. Certainly they were able to do better than Sun > > while Sun was broke. > > > > Now, however, we're seeing the lie put to that notion. Either: > > > > 1. Oracle's not willing to put enough of their resources in, > > 2. Oracle doesn't have enough bodies with the depth of JVM knowledge > > necessary (and one can't develop such experience overnight), or > > 3. More bodies won't help -- period. > > > > I'd guess it's somewhere between 2 and 3 (though 2 often means #1 occurred > > some time back when things were looking rosier). > > > > -- > > Jess Holle Why all the emphasis on this being Oracle's fault? Oracle do not own the OpenJDK, it is a FOSS project. Anyone can get involved. Lots of individuals, user groups and companies are getting involved via the AdoptOpenJDK and AdoptAJSR activities. Yes Oracle have a big role, but so do IBM. Isn't the lack of resource as much IBM's fault as it is Oracle's? Perhaps everyone on this email list should fix a bug rather than email the list? -- Russel. ============================================================================= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:[email protected] 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: [email protected] London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
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