Agreed, but with it happening with eloquence is very bad since almost everyone running jaws uses it on a regular basis. I know there is a work around and and happy there is. I'm just upset that FS seems to feel it's acceptable to release it like that instead of fixing it correctly. I know, the SMA rules and the product has to go out the door so FS can make money this year.
Rick -- Visit my webpage and podcast feed at: http://www.blind-geek-zone.net and my web Blog at: http://blind-geek-zone.blogspot.com/ Join the BGZ mailing list by sending a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put subscribe in the subject line. Contact info: Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype - rharmon928 MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Eloquence Problems In Vista Dear Rick I had exactly the same problems with the Real Speak voices with Jaws 8. You are right it is very unpleasant to listen to. The problem was particularity unpleasant if at any time I refreshed the screen with a Real Speak voice running in Jaws. The problem did not appear on my laptop so it does not reproduce consistently even with similar software setups but if you are unlucky enough to get this effect it is a real nuisance. I resolved this by abandoning Real Speak and going back to Eloquence. This problem re-emerging in Eloquence itself is quite disturbing. I think I'll stick to Jaws 8 for the time being until all this is ironed out. Regards David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harmon Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2007 17:45 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Eloquence Problems In Vista when you are cursoring around anywhere. clicks, crackles and pops will be often heard. I call it the "rice crispies effict" -- Visit my webpage and podcast feed at: http://www.blind-geek-zone.net and my web Blog at: http://blind-geek-zone.blogspot.com/ Join the BGZ mailing list by sending a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put subscribe in the subject line. Contact info: Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype - rharmon928 MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Eloquence Problems In Vista When does this Eloquence issue arise? I'm using JAWS 9.0.399 and XP, without a problem. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lord, let me be a shining light In all I say and do, That Your great love displayed in me May lead someone to You. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Eloquence Problems In Vista > Yes it is. I talked to someone the other day that told me it hapens on XP > as well. > > Rick > > > -- > Visit my webpage and podcast feed at: > http://www.blind-geek-zone.net > and my web Blog at: > http://blind-geek-zone.blogspot.com/ > Join the BGZ mailing list by sending a blank email message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > and put subscribe in the subject line. > > Contact info: > > Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype - rharmon928 > MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Eloquence Problems In Vista > > > I haven't been following this thread closely, because I don't have VISTA. > Is Eloquence in XP affected in any way with the final release of JAWS 9? > I haven't noticed any difference, using the beta version. > > > Sunny Day > Maria Campbell > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Lord, let me be a shining light > In all I say and do, > That Your great love displayed in me > May lead someone to You. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Eloquence Problems In Vista > > >> Eric, >> >> in my opinion you should have never let it ship that way. I'm very >> picky >> about how things sound and think it sounds terrible. I have talked with >> others and they feel the same way as I do. Now Jaws eloquence sounds as >> bad >> as it does on window eyes in my opinion. I don't use eloquence with >> window >> eyes and if Jaws 9 ships like you say it will then perhaps I'll stop >> using >> jaws until the problem is resolved. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rick >> >> >> -- >> Visit my webpage and podcast feed at: >> http://www.blind-geek-zone.net >> and my web Blog at: >> http://blind-geek-zone.blogspot.com/ >> Join the BGZ mailing list by sending a blank email message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> and put subscribe in the subject line. >> >> Contact info: >> >> Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype - rharmon928 >> MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eric Damery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Eloquence Problems In Vista >> >> >> Rick, >> This has not changed further than it is in build 467. This is something >> we >> will continue to work on but in the meantime, for anyone who finds it to >> be >> an issue, we will have them use the 8.0 Eloquence Driver in Vista. I have >> heard the problem you've described but on all the systems in the office >> we >> have tested, the problem has not been very bad. The increased >> responsiveness >> seems to have far out weighed any down side which is why we put it in the >> release at this point. >> >> For anyone that is experiencing the issue, it is a quick change to put it >> back as you know and we will have a TSN posted. >> Regards, >> Eric >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rick Harmon >> Sent: Sat 11/17/2007 5:03 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Eloquence Problems In Vista >> >> >> >> Yes they offered a downgrade to eloquence for jaws 8 to fix it. I'm >> hopeful they'll fix it for the final release though. >> >> Rick >> >> -- >> Visit my webpage and podcast feed at: >> http://www.blind-geek-zone.net >> and my web Blog at: >> http://blind-geek-zone.blogspot.com/ >> Join the BGZ mailing list by sending a blank email message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> and put subscribe in the subject line. >> >> Contact info: >> >> Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype - rharmon928 >> MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "AMTK161" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Eloquence Problems In Vista >> >> >> I haven't had that degree of problems with Eloquence and JAWS 9.0.467; >> perhaps if FS can't fix the problem they should offer a downgradeable >> version? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 14:16 >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws 8 and vista home premium >> >> >>> Eloquence sounds like crap now with the rice crispies effect. I'll take >>> some slowness which I didn't have on my machine over the constant >>> crackling. >>> FS is aware of this problem but dosent' know if it will be resolved in >>> the >>> jaws 9 final or not. I for one will not be pleased if it's not fixed. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Visit my webpage and podcast feed at: >>> http://www.blind-geek-zone.net >>> and my web Blog at: >>> http://blind-geek-zone.blogspot.com/ >>> Join the BGZ mailing list by sending a blank email message to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> and put subscribe in the subject line. >>> >>> Contact info: >>> >>> Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Skype - rharmon928 >>> MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "AMTK161" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws 8 and vista home premium >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> JAWS 8.0.2173 (The last JAWS 8.0 release) works with Windows Vista Home >>> Premium. If possible, I'd recommend upgrading to JAWS 9.0 once the >>> final >>> release comes out...Eloquence is a lot more responsive, and a lot of >>> problems have been fixed. >>> >>> Michael >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Junior Lolley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Jaws users list" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 14:02 >>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] jaws 8 and vista home premium >>> >>> >>>> This subject has probably discussed several times. >>>> But I will ask once more. >>>> Does jaws 8 and vista home premium work well together? >>>> I just bought a lap top with vista home premium on it. >>>> Thanks very much. >>>> >>>> >>>> Junior Lolley kg4itd Liberty County E. 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