You might need to send them to www.adobe.com/accessibility to test any pdf ideas they might have.
-- I think Adobe, also, need to somehow broaden their ideas about making more documents accessible to us, since well-structured Adobe documents form but a small sub-section of the over-all PDF content out there. (By 'accessible,' I mean accessible to JAWS and/or any other screen-reader.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike & Barbara" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Adobe saying empty document Hi Ann, Andy, Flor, Larry, & Marilyn, I would like to thank you all very much for your responses. The weird thing was this was a 6 page tax return sent to us by our CPA and was an all text document. They have sent this type of document before and we haven't had any problems in the past. Although Jaws read "Alert, empty document", I was still able to print it out and everything was readable for us to sign in the appropriate places on the correct pages. This did happen the other day when I had to print out some wiring schematics for a talking thermostat which I knew would be graphics. This time the empty document thing really threw me off but, as you all so very well explained it was the format in which they sent this document. Sorry for being so long winded but, I thought I should explain further the circumstances. Again, thank you all very much for your help. Take care. Mike ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Flor Lynch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Adobe saying empty document More than likely, the .pdf is 'not well structured' from an accessibility point of view. the pages are probably very large. Unfortunately, as well, these historical type documents are very difficult to get good scans from with our OCR technology. (In the latest update to Kurzweil 1000, it is normally better to open the .pdf directly rather than specially print it. That having been tried, and if results remain very poor, then the pdf could be printed on paper and the paper then scanned.) ) It needs to be said that accessibility is key - nearly the only key for us - when it comes to reading .pdf documents. So apart from a document being in scanned image form, even if it is in text but not well structered the .pdf will not fare too well with JAWS and adjustments to settings have to be made that depart from standard accessibility settings in Adobe Reader. ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marilyn Walker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Adobe saying empty document Mike, I had this happen to me last week when I tried to access a pdf document from the University of IllinoisHistorical archives. It seemed that the pages, labeled "graphical" were probably scanned document pages that may have been digitized. So, as a last resort, I tried the Kurzweil 1000 virtual printer and that opened the document. However, unlike other pdf's, this large file reads very slowly with my using the down arrow keys and I find that normal K1000navigation such as "go to page" scarcely work. 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