On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote:
> Ean,
>
> Adam Heath is getting flamed because he has been a jerk. You don't go on
> these lists demanding features and bashing people because certain features
> don't work to a community of developers who mostly all work for free! I
> secretly applauded Marc for flaming Adam because I'm sick and tired of
> winy-ass developers coming on this list demanding things when they have not
> contributed anything in return. I work hard on JBoss in my free time, and
> it is a slap in the face when somebody comes around with this kind of
> attitude. If you want to have that kind of attitude on this email list, you
> have to EARN that right and privilege.
I was being a jerk? I may have been inappropriate *at times*, but not every
single time. I never *demanded* features. I never said it didn't work.
I was asking for a different source distribution. Which, if you recall, I did
eventually submit a patch for, to do exactly what I need, after Jason and I
had discussed it on this list. But, it appears you only want to selectively
remember.
A short, simple note, along the lines of:
We have not done these features, because we have not had time. There have
been more pressing needs(new, super cool features, fixing real bugs), that
we have given our time to. If there is something that you would like to
see, code it up/write up a document describing what you need, and we can
develop it together.
would have been much more polite. Yet, marc decided to attack me back,
instead of being nice, and redirecting my obvious explosive energies to more
productive means.
I am use to community development. I am not used to tons of single,
individual people from a community, all going off, coding one feature here,
one feature there, and then coming back at the end, to put it all together. I
am used to discussion all the way, discussion, talk, discussion, flame, talk,
decide, flame, discussion, decide, vote(throw code in between each word).
As to earning the right and privledge, do I have to earn the right and
privledge for any particular item, each time I change my venue? That's not
how it works in the business world. There is such a thing called credentials,
and a resume, that describes what a person is capable of. This can be enough
in and of itself to warrant giving one respect.
I have lots of experience in packaging software for Debian. I know the issues
with doing this. And some of those issues I brought up a bit ago(no need to
rehash them here). I would have thought that it would have been appropriate
to use my packaging expertise, to make jboss a better package. But then
that's me.
> Marc is the source of JBoss. He provides its energy and vision. He gives
> us focus. I can tell you from personal experience that Marc takes care of
> those who are contributors of jboss and takes care of them well. He breeds
> loyalty and always gives back what you put into the JBoss community.
If he is the source, then he isn't conducting himself in a business fashion.
So what if I was being an ass(I can be at times, I admit it freely). Every
single message from marc to me has been combative. Not all from me to this
list have been the same.
> There are 2 forms of currency here in the JBoss community. Contributions
> through code, documentation, and/or answering questions on the
> user-lists/forums. Or paying JBossGroup directly to implement features.
> Yes, Adam, may be a good developer as you say, but who really cares? I
> don't. Unless he contributes some of his solid design experience to our
> community, I personally have no desire to answer one of his questions.
How is one supposed to get started with jboss? Where is the voluminous
documentation on how to start understanding the code, so one can start
improving the software?
Is jboss-dev not a user list? Isn't discussion on this list a form of giving
back?
You don't care if I am a good developer? Then why did you say above that I
have to prove myself, if you don't care.
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