On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote:

> Didn't see your patch, sorry....Well, I actualy couldn't find it after
> looking a little bit.

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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:07:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [PATCH]: [JBoss-dev] can't build jboss from cvs

The above email patches build.xml, only.  It does what I need, to split the
tarballs/zips up.

Also, another patch I sent, earlier, contains some miscellaneous patches.

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:24:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [JBoss-dev] misc patches needed to make .deb for debian

> Sorry if the JBoss community is not what you're used to.  It works for us.
> I am now integrating JBoss into a 2nd production system at a 2nd company,
> with much success, and will be moving onto a 3rd in January..  The JBoss
> community is doing something right.  I know from experience.

You have worked at 2 different companies, or did they hire you as a consultant
just to do this integration(not meaning to sound harsh, just being
inquistive).

> Yes.  Who the hell is Adam Heath anyways?  (Then you could ask, who the hell
> is Bill Burke? :)

Fair 'nuf.  :)

> Don't know what business world you live in, but respect is usually earned
> not given.  Sure credentials get you noticed, but after that you have to
> earn the respect of your peers.  And yes, we are your peers.  Only results
> and money talk in the business world.  Unless you're a commie.  I thought we
> purged you commies back in the '50s?

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but true believers in the free software
doctrine could be compared to commies, in theory.

> It doesn't work like that here.  Somebody correct me, but, IMHO, we have a
> meritocracy here.  You get what you give.

Hmm.  new word alert.  scanning dictionary.com...

I've shown ability.  Yet, it seems to be ignored, and the only focus is on my,
at times, harsh mails.  Hmm, that description doesn't seem to apply.

> Well, honestly, from the emails I've read, didn't sound like you were
> contributing any expertise, but rather voicing complaints.

Go read again.  Jason Dillon and I had quite a discussion, with both sides
learning about the other.

> IMHO, I'd rather work with somebody that is blunt.  We don't have time to
> pussyfoot around here.

I'd rather work with someone who is sharp. :)

> > How is one supposed to get started with jboss?  Where is the voluminous
> > documentation on how to start understanding the code, so one can start
> > improving the software?
>
> If you pay the $9.99, there you go ;-)  Hmmm, I've never had trouble
> figuring out how to contribute.....

I haven't had troubvle figuring out how, it's just I haven't been motivated to
do so.  When I have tried to contribute, it's been ignored, or blasted for
being moronic.  That doesn't make me want to continue.

> > Is jboss-dev not a user list?  Isn't discussion on this list a
> > form of giving
> > back?
>
> jboss-dev is not a user list.  It is a jboss contributor list.

So, one can't answer questions on jboss-dev, and be considering giving back to
the community?  After all, jboss has a community of developers, and if I can
answer some other developer's question, we all benefit.

> Again, you get what you give.  You're in a sea of good developers here.  You
> would cringe in fear at some of our resumes.  You have to build trust and
> respect in this community.  We have all already done it and you're not doing
> a good job of it so far.

I have given.  Yet it's been ignored.

Also, on a side note, I asked several mails ago(not this thread), for a nice,
80 char by 3-5 line description of jboss.  A nice, easy to understand
description, not filled with too many acronyms and buzz phrases.  The content
on the jboss website is a little wordy for me to try and condense(I've never
been good at marketing).

Also, as to the status of the Debianization:  I am close to making a public,
as it were, release.  I've switched both Ean an another internal developer to
using my debs.  I'm currently working on automatic postgres
installation/configuration(few minor tweaks left).  apt-get install jboss
jboss-jdbc-postgresql, and you'll have a PostgresDS, HypersonicDS, and
DefaultDS(that uses postgresql).  Without jboss-jdbc-postgresql installed,
DefaultDS will use hypersonic.

It's all rather slick.  I haven't released publically, because as I tweak
stuff, upgrades between my internal versions might not work, so I needed to
keep a tight reign on the files.  Soon, however, soon.



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