If I send you an example .xml file can you send me a basic skeleton 
stylesheet with examples on how to replave tags and access emements?

--jason


On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, David Jencks wrote:

> I've seen similar explanations on the ant list sometimes, but they all go
> way over my head.  Is there any chance of showing us one of these projects
> build system to look at in detail?
> 
> thanks
> david jencks
> 
> On 2002.09.20 15:49:51 -0400 James Higginbotham wrote:
> > Not sure what you may want to do with XSL, but we use it for our
> > product's build system and I use it for a personal project as well. Its
> > quite powerful, since you have define a modules.xml that has all the
> > dependencies and let XSL generate the right build targets. It would
> > offer primary targets for the caller to invoke and would delegate to the
> > generated script. The main build.xml would determine if the generated
> > xml is out of date or missing and XSLT the modules.xml or whatever into
> > the resulting ant script before invoking the delegated call. 
> > 
> > I haven't dove into your buildmagic too much, but a commontargets that
> > is shared by all modules lets you share common targets, while the XSL
> > could be done to drive each modules' build script or a master build
> > script. 
> > 
> > I'm sure you guys have a complex build env, but thought I'd throw this
> > out for you and others that may want to know how we are using XSL + Ant.
> > 
> > 
> > HTH,
> > James
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason Dillon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 2:17 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Can you find any more info about using xslt or velocity as a 
> > > preprocessor to the build files?  I think this might be a 
> > > good idea, but just as you say I can not find any examples of 
> > > it to study.
> > > 
> > > --jason
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- 
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Jencks
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:43 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas
> > > > 
> > > > There seems to be an <import> and an <include> and I'm not 
> > > completely
> > > sure
> > > > what the difference is or where the include task is.  The 
> > > import might
> > > get
> > > > into ant 1.6 and is already part of centipede.  Here's the code for
> > > > import:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-ant/proposal/embed/#dirlist
> > > > 
> > > > Most of the build gurus on the ant list seem to like the idea of 
> > > > generating build files using xslt or velocity and then running them 
> > > > with plain
> > > ant
> > > > rather than using things like <foreach>.  I haven't seen an 
> > > example of 
> > > > this yet.
> > > > 
> > > > david jencks
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 2002.09.19 20:43:43 -0400 Jason Dillon wrote:
> > > > > Where is the include task documented... I didn't find it on their 
> > > > > website.
> > > > >
> > > > > --jason
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > [mailto:jboss- 
> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
> > > David Jencks
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:27 PM
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2002.09.19 19:32:25 -0400 Scott M Stark wrote:
> > > > > > > I still don't buy it. Many of the existing tests 
> > > involve several 
> > > > > > > functional modules so how do I associate the test with its 
> > > > > > > module?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see your point, many of the "jmx" tests that test 
> > > system module 
> > > > > > functionality rely on ejbs, etc etc, to provide a sufficient
> > > > > environment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The compilation issue is
> > > > > > > a simple
> > > > > > > by product of having a huge monolithic build file, 
> > > and further 
> > > > > > > complicated by xdoclet having to be run as a first pass to 
> > > > > > > generate the code. I
> > > > > better
> > > > > > > not wake
> > > > > > > up one morning and have the testsuite laying in pieces in CVS
> > > > > without a
> > > > > > > clear
> > > > > > > consensus on this approach.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So are you suggesting that there be, more or less, a build file
> > > per
> > > > > > testsuite directory (e.g. org/jboss/test/jmx gets a build.xml)?
> > > Then
> > > > > the
> > > > > > testsuite/build.xml calls each of them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that would accomplish essentially the same thing I was
> > > > > suggesting
> > > > > > with the generic targets for "run xdoclet in one directory" and
> > > "build
> > > > > > jars
> > > > > > from one directory" suggestion.  Smaller build files might be
> > > easier
> > > > > to
> > > > > > understand individually, but might also be significantly slower.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ant 1.5.1 include task might help, we could include the
> > > specific
> > > > > > xdoclet and jar targets from small build files while keeping a
> > > single
> > > > > > global javac task.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > david jencks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Scott Stark
> > > > > > > Chief Technology Officer
> > > > > > > JBoss Group, LLC
> > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "David Jencks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:15 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 2002.09.19 18:05:46 -0400 Scott M Stark wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Add -Dnojars=true during the run of the single 
> > > test and zero
> > > > > > > compilation
> > > > > > > > > time is the result.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Umm, yes, I know about nojars, I wrote it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It doesn't help much if you changed the test and need to
> > > > > recompile,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > situation I find time consuming.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Add -Djbosstest.nodeploy=true and you can also 
> > > avoid having
> > > to
> > > > > > deploy
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > into the server.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Doesn't this require you to copy the appropriate 
> > > test jar into
> > > the
> > > > > > > deploy
> > > > > > > > directory?  Are there any deployments that take a 
> > > significant
> > > > > amount
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > time?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I routinely run single tests in 10 seconds with these
> > > > > > > > > options. Refactoring
> > > > > > > > > the entire testsuite for a simple usage problems is silly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Having to spend 7 minutes to try a simple change to 
> > > a test is
> > > a
> > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > sillier.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Breaking up the huge monolithic build file into seperates
> > > test
> > > > > files
> > > > > > > > > would be a good thing.
> > > > > > > > > This is what we had in 2.4 and it was nice when 
> > > we had < 200
> > > > > tests.
> > > > > > > Now
> > > > > > > > > as we
> > > > > > > > > approach 1000 its time to revisit this as well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Agreed, this is a better solution, but also more work.  I
> > > think
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > test/module in the modules is the way to go here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > david jencks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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