Damn PHP install doesn't even work for the java stuff. Followed directions and can't get it to build. Now I'm hacking Makefiles :(
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Holger Baxmann > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [JBoss-dev] PHP > > > > I've been looking into this as you speak. Seems from reading > doco that you > > can't go Java->PHP->Java which is what we need. Not sure what > would happen > > if PHP called from Java created a JVM. Too bad there isn't a PHP Jython > > like thing.... > > > > have a look at the java sapi (server [sic!] application interface) and the > servlet.java, there you can call the php engine - zend - out of a servlet > container. > > > Bill > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc > >> fleury > >> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:35 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [JBoss-dev] PHP > >> > >> > >> holger, > >> > >> we totally agree and we are talking about the same thing. I already > >> proposed it to Julien back when we wanted to go PN. The idea is indeed > >> to RUN PHP APPS AS IS in JBoss but with the merit of same VM cache > >> access. That is what it is all about and what is killing the current > >> www.jboss.org machine under apache/php, the fact that PHP is a lot of > >> servlet/jdbc equivalent code done poorly. > >> > >> Let's do a port for now, with EJB representing the tables so that at > >> least we remove the JDBC code (or ODBC or whatever it is PHP uses) and > >> leverage some cache. It will speed www.jboss.org speed by ten. > >> > >> marcf > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > >>> Behalf Of Holger Baxmann > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:28 PM > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Subject: Re: Re[4]: [JBoss-dev] PHP > >>> > >>> > >>> mmmhhhhmmm, i am not talking about porting xor integration. i > >>> am talking about php beeing a _frontend_ in the deeeeepest > >>> meaning. unfortunately was this not sufficient for the php > >>> people to fullfill the the marketing flyers of their > >>> products. so they called the backend, and there is definitely > >>> only one possible, directly via libraries. what stands > >>> against a jboss-faking-the-backend-library? we will provide > >>> the smooth migration not only to jboss, but to the bunches of > >>> running businesses in php too. if we have html, soap, corba, > >>> rmi, etc. etc. 'frontends' then php seems not a problem for me. > >>> > >>> let's do both > >>> > >>> bax > >>> > >>>> Von: julien viet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> Antworten an: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> Datum: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 01:14:23 +0100 > >>>> An: Holger Baxmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> Betreff: Re[4]: [JBoss-dev] PHP > >>>> > >>>> we already tried to investigate that way a couple of month ago. but > >>>> servlet and PHP are not in the same space. Therefore no tight > >>>> interraction is possible with jboss, serialization issues are a > >>>> consequence. > >>>> > >>>> julien > >>>> > >>>> HB> just found it: > >>>> > >>>> HB> XLVIII. Java > >>>> > >>>> HB> There are two possible ways to bridge PHP and Java: you > >>> can either > >>>> integrate > >>>> HB> PHP into a Java Servlet environment, which is the more > >>> stable and > >>>> efficient > >>>> HB> solution, or integrate Java support into PHP. The former is > >>>> HB> provided by a SAPI module that interfaces with the > >>> Servlet server, > >>>> HB> the latter by the > >>>> Java > >>>> HB> extension. > >>>> > >>>> HB> at: http://php.benscom.com/manual/kr/ref.java.php > >>>> > >>>> HB> bax > >>>> > >>>>>> Von: Holger Baxmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>> Antworten an: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>> Datum: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:57:31 +0100 > >>>>>> An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>> Betreff: Re: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] PHP > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I thought about it, but that wouldn't solve the case. Direct DB > >>>>>>> would still be used and slowness would still be there, PHP db > >>>>>>> functions would be mapped to JDBC. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The problem is not PHP, it's the way PHP guys code. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> i know, deeply: i know. > >>>>>> my last paid job was for a company with around 80.000 php source > >>>>>> code lines in a collaboration app. one option to go not > >>> blasted away > >>>>>> was porting this to j2. the company has had no further > >>> life because > >>>>>> of not taking the option > >>>>>> :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> imho, there are not too many functions that the guys are calling, > >>>>>> around some hundred. if we are able to fake - licensingwise the > >>>>>> functionality of - the zend engine via a filter, it bites > >>> me to use > >>>>>> 'interceptor' - before the engine is called, we should > >>> have a smooth > >>>>>> migration to jboss through parsing the php code to - ok, ok - > >>>>>> xml/xsd, don't we? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> the particular sql dialect is not really more complicated > >>> than the > >>>>>> uglyiest php script. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> the db access should not be the real problem - most of them use > >>>>>> mysql anyway. a) this is no database b) jboss should be able to > >>>>>> behave like a non-transactional thing like this > >>>>>> > >>>>>> bax > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Anyway that would be a great project and could attract many > >>>>>>> developpers onto J2EE platform. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There do not exists a PHP specification. Such a project would > >>>>>>> consist in retro engineering there compiler. In fact I > >>> don't know > >>>>>>> anything about zend and their licence, though project is > >>> hosted by > >>>>>>> apache. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Here is the header they use in sourecode : > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> /* > >>>>>>> > >>> +------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---------+ > >>>>>>> | Zend Engine > >>> | > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> +------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---------+ > >>>>>>> | Copyright (c) 1998-2002 Zend Technologies Ltd. > >>> (http://www.zend.com) | > >>>>>>> > >>> +------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---------+ > >>>>>>> | This source file is subject to version 2.00 of the > >>> Zend license, | > >>>>>>> | that is bundled with this package in the file > >>> LICENSE, and is | > >>>>>>> | available at through the world-wide-web at > >>> | > >>>>>>> | http://www.zend.com/license/2_00.txt. > >>> | > >>>>>>> | If you did not receive a copy of the Zend license and > >>> are unable to | > >>>>>>> | obtain it through the world-wide-web, please send a > >>> note to | > >>>>>>> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can mail you a copy > >>> immediately. | > >>>>>>> > >>> +------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---------+ > >>>>>>> | Authors: Andi Gutmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> | > >>>>>>> | Zeev Suraski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> | > >>>>>>> > >>> +------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---------+ > >>>>>>> */ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> HB> anybody thought about integrating php (and this way the > >>>>>>> cms-whatever-this-is > >>>>>>> HB> thingy) into the the containers? maybe by calling the zend > >>>>>>> HB> engine > >>>>>>> natively? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> HB> layer rules ... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> HB> just an idea .. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> HB> bax > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Von: "Bill Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>> Antworten an: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>> Datum: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:34:10 -0500 > >>>>>>>>> An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>> Betreff: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> IWE. Go Go Julien Viet! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > >>>>>>>>>> Of Matt Munz > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:16 PM > >>>>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Marc & group, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the details. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> We tried to rewrite > >>>>>>>>>>> the forums (which we did) and it took us for ever due to the > >>>>>>>>>>> publishing framework getting in the way. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> My good friend Google just explained "CMS > >>> publishing" to me, > >>>>>>>>>> and I think I understand the issue. It is not PHP > >>> vs. J2EE, but > >>>>>>>>>> Post-Nuke vs. a J2EE-based CMS that apparently DNE. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Not the best situation... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> - Matt > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>> From: marc fleury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:39 PM > >>>>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Bill, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Don't worry, I'm not going to blast you for not "eating your > >>>>>>>>>>> own dog food". > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> you should. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> JSP/Servlets/J2EE is better, but PostNuke is a good Content > >>>>>>>>>>> Management > >>>>>>>>>>>> System. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> This statement, in and of itself, is a rationale for > >>> using J2EE > >>>>>>>>>>> instead of PHP ;) Could you divulge the precise > >>>>>>>>>>> reason(s) for choosing Post-Nuke? (I can think of > >>> many factors > >>>>>>>>>>> that often outweigh technical superiority -- time, money, > >>>>>>>>>>> expedience, IP issues... was it one of these?) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> the real reason is that the APPLICATION IS THERE. We > >>> tried to > >>>>>>>>>> rewrite the forums (which we did) and it took us for > >>> ever due to > >>>>>>>>>> the publishing framework getting in the way. The problem we > >>>>>>>>>> have is that PostNuke is a bunch of PHP files with direct DB > >>>>>>>>>> access in it and we are having scalability nightmares. Our > >>>>>>>>>> machine used to be 15% utilization max (slashdot was > >>> 50%) due TO > >>>>>>>>>> THE CACHES IN JBOSS. And without it, we have 100 > >>> people on the > >>>>>>>>>> website and the machine is pegged. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So the application is there so we use it. We need it NOW. > >>>>>>>>>> Julien viet, who was writing the forums, is now on > >>> JBoss payroll > >>>>>>>>>> and will be working on JNUKE. A straight port of PHP > >>>>>>>>>> functionality to JBoss. PHP is ugly and functional, > >>> my kind of > >>>>>>>>>> code but at the end of the day it doesn't scale well > >>> at all due > >>>>>>>>>> to all the crap they do. 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