> I've been looking into this as you speak. Seems from reading doco that you > can't go Java->PHP->Java which is what we need. Not sure what would happen > if PHP called from Java created a JVM. Too bad there isn't a PHP Jython > like thing.... >
have a look at the java sapi (server [sic!] application interface) and the servlet.java, there you can call the php engine - zend - out of a servlet container. > Bill > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc >> fleury >> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:35 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [JBoss-dev] PHP >> >> >> holger, >> >> we totally agree and we are talking about the same thing. I already >> proposed it to Julien back when we wanted to go PN. The idea is indeed >> to RUN PHP APPS AS IS in JBoss but with the merit of same VM cache >> access. That is what it is all about and what is killing the current >> www.jboss.org machine under apache/php, the fact that PHP is a lot of >> servlet/jdbc equivalent code done poorly. >> >> Let's do a port for now, with EJB representing the tables so that at >> least we remove the JDBC code (or ODBC or whatever it is PHP uses) and >> leverage some cache. It will speed www.jboss.org speed by ten. >> >> marcf >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On >>> Behalf Of Holger Baxmann >>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:28 PM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re: Re[4]: [JBoss-dev] PHP >>> >>> >>> mmmhhhhmmm, i am not talking about porting xor integration. i >>> am talking about php beeing a _frontend_ in the deeeeepest >>> meaning. unfortunately was this not sufficient for the php >>> people to fullfill the the marketing flyers of their >>> products. so they called the backend, and there is definitely >>> only one possible, directly via libraries. what stands >>> against a jboss-faking-the-backend-library? we will provide >>> the smooth migration not only to jboss, but to the bunches of >>> running businesses in php too. if we have html, soap, corba, >>> rmi, etc. etc. 'frontends' then php seems not a problem for me. >>> >>> let's do both >>> >>> bax >>> >>>> Von: julien viet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Antworten an: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Datum: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 01:14:23 +0100 >>>> An: Holger Baxmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Betreff: Re[4]: [JBoss-dev] PHP >>>> >>>> we already tried to investigate that way a couple of month ago. but >>>> servlet and PHP are not in the same space. Therefore no tight >>>> interraction is possible with jboss, serialization issues are a >>>> consequence. >>>> >>>> julien >>>> >>>> HB> just found it: >>>> >>>> HB> XLVIII. Java >>>> >>>> HB> There are two possible ways to bridge PHP and Java: you >>> can either >>>> integrate >>>> HB> PHP into a Java Servlet environment, which is the more >>> stable and >>>> efficient >>>> HB> solution, or integrate Java support into PHP. The former is >>>> HB> provided by a SAPI module that interfaces with the >>> Servlet server, >>>> HB> the latter by the >>>> Java >>>> HB> extension. >>>> >>>> HB> at: http://php.benscom.com/manual/kr/ref.java.php >>>> >>>> HB> bax >>>> >>>>>> Von: Holger Baxmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Antworten an: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Datum: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:57:31 +0100 >>>>>> An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Betreff: Re: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] PHP >>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought about it, but that wouldn't solve the case. Direct DB >>>>>>> would still be used and slowness would still be there, PHP db >>>>>>> functions would be mapped to JDBC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem is not PHP, it's the way PHP guys code. >>>>>>> >>>>>> i know, deeply: i know. >>>>>> my last paid job was for a company with around 80.000 php source >>>>>> code lines in a collaboration app. one option to go not >>> blasted away >>>>>> was porting this to j2. the company has had no further >>> life because >>>>>> of not taking the option >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> imho, there are not too many functions that the guys are calling, >>>>>> around some hundred. if we are able to fake - licensingwise the >>>>>> functionality of - the zend engine via a filter, it bites >>> me to use >>>>>> 'interceptor' - before the engine is called, we should >>> have a smooth >>>>>> migration to jboss through parsing the php code to - ok, ok - >>>>>> xml/xsd, don't we? >>>>>> >>>>>> the particular sql dialect is not really more complicated >>> than the >>>>>> uglyiest php script. >>>>>> >>>>>> the db access should not be the real problem - most of them use >>>>>> mysql anyway. a) this is no database b) jboss should be able to >>>>>> behave like a non-transactional thing like this >>>>>> >>>>>> bax >>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway that would be a great project and could attract many >>>>>>> developpers onto J2EE platform. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There do not exists a PHP specification. Such a project would >>>>>>> consist in retro engineering there compiler. In fact I >>> don't know >>>>>>> anything about zend and their licence, though project is >>> hosted by >>>>>>> apache. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is the header they use in sourecode : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /* >>>>>>> >>> +------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------+ >>>>>>> | Zend Engine >>> | >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> +------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------+ >>>>>>> | Copyright (c) 1998-2002 Zend Technologies Ltd. >>> (http://www.zend.com) | >>>>>>> >>> +------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------+ >>>>>>> | This source file is subject to version 2.00 of the >>> Zend license, | >>>>>>> | that is bundled with this package in the file >>> LICENSE, and is | >>>>>>> | available at through the world-wide-web at >>> | >>>>>>> | http://www.zend.com/license/2_00.txt. >>> | >>>>>>> | If you did not receive a copy of the Zend license and >>> are unable to | >>>>>>> | obtain it through the world-wide-web, please send a >>> note to | >>>>>>> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can mail you a copy >>> immediately. | >>>>>>> >>> +------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------+ >>>>>>> | Authors: Andi Gutmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> | >>>>>>> | Zeev Suraski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> | >>>>>>> >>> +------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------+ >>>>>>> */ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HB> anybody thought about integrating php (and this way the >>>>>>> cms-whatever-this-is >>>>>>> HB> thingy) into the the containers? maybe by calling the zend >>>>>>> HB> engine >>>>>>> natively? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HB> layer rules ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HB> just an idea .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HB> bax >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Von: "Bill Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> Antworten an: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> Datum: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:34:10 -0500 >>>>>>>>> An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> Betreff: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IWE. Go Go Julien Viet! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf >>>>>>>>>> Of Matt Munz >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:16 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Marc & group, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the details. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We tried to rewrite >>>>>>>>>>> the forums (which we did) and it took us for ever due to the >>>>>>>>>>> publishing framework getting in the way. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My good friend Google just explained "CMS >>> publishing" to me, >>>>>>>>>> and I think I understand the issue. It is not PHP >>> vs. J2EE, but >>>>>>>>>> Post-Nuke vs. a J2EE-based CMS that apparently DNE. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not the best situation... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Matt >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: marc fleury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:39 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bill, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't worry, I'm not going to blast you for not "eating your >>>>>>>>>>> own dog food". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> you should. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JSP/Servlets/J2EE is better, but PostNuke is a good Content >>>>>>>>>>> Management >>>>>>>>>>>> System. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This statement, in and of itself, is a rationale for >>> using J2EE >>>>>>>>>>> instead of PHP ;) Could you divulge the precise >>>>>>>>>>> reason(s) for choosing Post-Nuke? (I can think of >>> many factors >>>>>>>>>>> that often outweigh technical superiority -- time, money, >>>>>>>>>>> expedience, IP issues... was it one of these?) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the real reason is that the APPLICATION IS THERE. We >>> tried to >>>>>>>>>> rewrite the forums (which we did) and it took us for >>> ever due to >>>>>>>>>> the publishing framework getting in the way. The problem we >>>>>>>>>> have is that PostNuke is a bunch of PHP files with direct DB >>>>>>>>>> access in it and we are having scalability nightmares. Our >>>>>>>>>> machine used to be 15% utilization max (slashdot was >>> 50%) due TO >>>>>>>>>> THE CACHES IN JBOSS. And without it, we have 100 >>> people on the >>>>>>>>>> website and the machine is pegged. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So the application is there so we use it. We need it NOW. >>>>>>>>>> Julien viet, who was writing the forums, is now on >>> JBoss payroll >>>>>>>>>> and will be working on JNUKE. A straight port of PHP >>>>>>>>>> functionality to JBoss. PHP is ugly and functional, >>> my kind of >>>>>>>>>> code but at the end of the day it doesn't scale well >>> at all due >>>>>>>>>> to all the crap they do. 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