Interesting discussion! I remember old days ...
I think is difficult to say wich is better, you may find people that
suggests you is better to use another template engine for doing MVC like
XMLC, TRiX, ....
IMHO the Turbine added value is to provide a lot of utilities/tools that
constitutes a core for easy doing web applications, i.e. the users
framework, the scheduler, the DB pooling, etc... not only the Velocity ...
May be the same is true for JetSpeed, the standard portlet API will be nice,
but all the facilities and applications for content sindication, RSS, RDF,
iCalendar, etc.. make up the advantage for developping portals or new
generation of web applications.
Josep Vela [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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De: Mica Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Para: JetSpeed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Enviado: martes 6 de febrero de 2001 12:29
Asunto: Re: Connection Pooling in Turbine -> J2EE
> If used properly, JSP fits the MVC model just fine.
> Your always going to have some type of code in your
> presentation level. Whether it is VTL or Java
> shouldn't matter. VTL is still code...Try to teach a
> creative designer how to write VTL. You'll have no
> more luck than trying to teach them Java basics.
>
> What is the difference between:
>
> <HTML>
> <BODY>
> Hello $customer.Name!
> <table>
> #foreach( $mud in $mudsOnSpecial )
> #if ( $customer.hasPurchased($mud) )
> <tr>
> <td>
> $flogger.getPromo( $mud )
> </td>
> </tr>
> #end
> #end
> </table>
>
> and this:
>
> <HTML>
> <BODY>
> Hello <%=customer.getName()%>!
> <table>
> <%
> for(int i = 0; i < mudsOnSpecial.length; i++) {
> if (customer.hasPurchased(mudsOnSpecial[i])) {
> %>
> <tr>
> <td>
>
> <%=flogger.getPromo(mudsOnSpecial[i])%>
> </td>
> </tr>
> <%
> }
> }
> %>
> </table>
>
> Personally I would rather use java. VTL is clunky.
>
>
>
>
> >>> Jon Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/06/01 01:48 AM
> >>>
>
> on 2/5/01 9:48 PM, "Johnny Cass"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I've read a lot of opinions like this one all over
> the net (that JSP
> > sucks). Though my intuition tells me that using
> Velocity *must* somehow
> > be better than using JSP, I haven't actually been
> able to determine
> > *why* this is the case.
> >
> > I have only been using JSP for about two weeks (so I
> may just be naive)
> > but have so far enjoyed it's:
> >
> > - Ease of use (but not debugging)
>
> Right, it is so easy to just put a few lines of Java
> code in your page,
> isn't it? Right there you just broke the MVC
> separation that everyone is so
> into.
>
> > - The thorough specification and documentation
>
> Yes, that part is good. However, when you have a large
> corporation backing
> the development with millions of $, you would expect
> such a thing.
>
> > - Level of integration (with tools like NetBeans
> IDE)
>
> Yes, that part is good. However, when you have a large
> corporation backing
> the development with millions of $, you would expect
> such a thing.
>
> Again, I'm working on my essay...it should be ready in
> a few days.
>
> -jon
>
> --
> If you come from a Perl or PHP background, JSP is a
> way to take
> your pain to new levels. --Anonymous
> <http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/> |
> <http://java.apache.org/turbine/>
>
>
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