I think that is a bit judgmental. Many people don’t have that kind of teaching given them, and without it some of them really cannot get the sighted folks’ concepts in mind. Besides this, sighted people for the most part appear to be as unwilling to learn our methods as we are to learn theirs. I think we should if we can, but I also think we can be forgiven if we can’t find the time or the energy for it. I think to learn braille reading with the eyes for those who have good vision is fine so long as they are competent when they use it to help me. I’m not sure it matters much how they read it.
Cindy Lou Ray From: David Moore [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here? Hi, I totally agree with you. The right click is just as important as the left click. You can do so much with what you are focused on, by right clicking. I think that the blind should know the sighted way and the screen reader way. I try to understand as much as possible how a sighted person would do what I am doing with key commands, because I think it helps to learn the concepts. I visual things a lot though, because I had sight until I was 15. Maybe that makes a difference, I don’t know. I would love to do what you do. Have a great New Year. From: Brian Vogel <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 1:12 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Are there any NVDA (or WindowEyes) and JAWS "dual users" or people who've used both here? Kevin, Thanks for your input. I just want to hasten to add that my motivation for "forcing" the occasional use of the mouse buttons is not, in any way, because I think that any given method is the "right" one, but sometimes there really is a "best" one. A number of my clients have expressed utter amazement when I teach them about the presence of the context menu that pops up anywhere (pretty much) when you right click on anything that can be operated on in some way and that this menu restricts you to the actual things you can do to that actual object. It saves so much menu arrow-through time (and I'm amazed how many of my clients cling to using arrow-through even after they know the "you can type the first letter of the function you're searching for to speed your way down the menu" technique). It also avoids, almost entirely, the presence of stippled-out options that cannot be selected at the moment because they do not fit the actual context of the moment, but must be in a general-purpose full menu anyway. All of the above having been said, if anyone detects what they feel is even the slightest whiff of condescension or trying to "force blind people to do something the sighted way" in my posts or descriptions of how I tutor, please let me know about this directly, but kindly. That is absolutely never my intention, but unintentional paternalism, rudeness, or slights are as bad or worse than intentional ones. Just realize that any of these are occurring out of ignorance, not malice. Brian
