Under no circumstances am I now able to get the chlorophyll model to load. I
cleared the cache and restarted Firefox and it didn't load chlorophyll.
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8)
Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8
Java 1.6.0_20
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Jeff Hansen
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
DePauw University
602 S. College Ave.
Greencastle, IN 46135
jhan...@depauw.edu
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On Jul 25, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Robert Hanson wrote:
> OK, I've tested this on my Mac with a freshly downloaded Firefox 3.6.8.
>
> No such problem.
>
> Phil, it looks to me like it might be a bad early version of 3.6.8.
>
> Mac users -- we need you to try this on Firefox 3.6.8:
>
> 1. load http://www.saintmarys.edu/~pbays/JStest/HTMLFiles/NT1.html
> 2. click on the link under the applet to display chlorophyl
> 3. close the browser
> 4. open the browser
> 5 repeat steps 1 and 2.
>
> Phil's experience is that in step 5 the click will not work.
> My experience is that it will work.
>
> Please report EXACT Firefox version.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Robert Hanson <hans...@stolaf.edu> wrote:
> Phil, I went ahead and added a comment to that bug report to see what they
> say. I'll try to dig up Firefox 3.6.8 on a Mac around here to get additional
> specifics.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Robert Hanson <hans...@stolaf.edu> wrote:
> Phil, wait, there are a couple more issues before you go back to them.
>
> 1) Did you say in that bug report that the signed applet has the same
> problem? That would be a BIG and different issue.
>
> 2) The first structure always loads, right? That indicates that Java can
> access its cache appropriately.
>
> 3) If only the second structure loading does not work, what we have is a
> JavaScript thread issue. It is the JavaScript/LiveConnect THREAD that is
> being blocked.
>
> 4) Tests you need to do:
>
> I. Try opening a console and issuing the load command from there. If it
> loads, then it is DEFINITELY a browser liveConnect thread blocking issue.
>
> II. Try that again using the useCommandThread TRUE.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Robert Hanson <hans...@stolaf.edu> wrote:
> You should be able to get any version of Firefox, and in fact, if you search
> your Mac applications directory you will probably find it. Just start it.
>
> OK, I have run a little test:
>
> 1. Monitor the Java Cache before and after starting the browser and loading
> http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/new.htm
>
> 2. Close the browser
>
> 3. Repeat step 1.
>
> 4. Close the browser
>
> 5. Upload a NEW caffeine.xyz
>
> 6. Repeat step 1.
>
> Findings:
>
> 1. Java never "clears its cache." It just stores the file and the header that
> came from the server associated with that file. That header contains a date.
>
> 2. It looks like Java just first sends a message to a server asking for a
> header, and if the header matches the one in the cache, then the file is not
> downloaded, and the cached file is used instead. This is pretty standard
> operation.
>
>
> OK, so why the security bug? Obviously it is a Firefox bug. Doesn't happen in
> older browsers; only appears with Mac 3.6.8. You need to respond to that bug
> report reply and be very clear about that. It would be especially good if you
> have verified that it all works with Firefox/Mac 3.5.7.
>
>
> The bug is this (if you can confirm it on your Mac, Phil)
>
> Observation: Java applet running in Firefox 3.6.8/Mac specifically hit a
> security violation when trying to read a file that was previously cached in a
> prior browser session.
>
> Comments: This bug is specific to Firefox 3.6.8/Mac. It does not appear with
> other operating systems and it does not appear with Firefox 3.5.7. All works
> appropriately within one browser session, but after the browser is closed and
> then re-opened, the applet cannot access any locally cached data file from
> that previous session opened using Java's URL.openConnection() method.
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Robert Hanson
>
> <hans...@stolaf.edu> wrote:
> Right - that does make sense -- submit a Java bug report, then. Make sure you
> have the latest Java available.
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Philip Bays <pb...@saintmarys.edu> wrote:
> Does this response make sense to anyone? If Firefox does not look at java
> cache, how can adjusting the cache (removing a file, turning it on or off)
> have any affect? Because it is a bug in java that does not affect non-mozilla
> browsers???
>
> Phil
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: bugzilla-dae...@mozilla.org
>> Date: July 25, 2010 4:52:35 AM EDT
>> To: pb...@saintmarys.edu
>> Subject: [Bug 581717] Firefox does not read java cache correctly
>>
>> Do not reply to this email. You can add comments to this bug at
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581717
>>
>> Jo Hermans <jo.herm...@gmail.com> changed:
>>
>> What |Removed |Added
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
>> CC| |jo.herm...@gmail.com
>> Resolution| |INVALID
>>
>> --- Comment #1 from Jo Hermans <jo.herm...@gmail.com> 2010-07-25 01:52:33
>> PDT ---
>> That is a problem in your version of Java, Firefox doesn't read that cache at
>> all. That's why you see the problem on Mac, but not on Windows (different
>> versions).
>>
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