There is one simple reason for having a released spec: SUPPORT!
How many JSP commercial engines are available today?
Of these how many say that they will provide support if you are stuck with a
problem?
If there is a problem, their reply is usually: "it has not been finalized
yet"!
HTML does not have a final spec, but it does have HTML 1, HTML 2, HTML 3,
HTML 4.....
Let's see, what do we have from sun:
JDK 1.0.2, JDK 1.1, JDK 1.1.1, JDK 1.1.2, JDK 1.1.3, JDK 1.1.4, .... JDK
1.2.
So nothing is a final release , but there is final release till there is a
new release!
Mayank Shah
Research Technology
212.449.0463
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Burridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 1:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 1.0 Spec First Quarter?
I understand your desire to recieve the final spec, but keep
in mind a few
things. First, there never really is a final spec. Take HTML
or Perl as an
example. Second, although the final spec is not yet
released, the current spec
functions just fine. We are using it on live projects
already, and we are
simply ecstatic with JSP as a development environment. I
look forward to spec
1, but don't know that it is going to mean any difference to
our development
whatsoever. Everything we need to do can be done, and is
being done.
One difference that might be making you more nervous is in
how we are using
JSP. I know that most people on this list seem to be very
excited that JSP will
be similiar to Cold Fusion. Whereas, my excitement about JSP
is that it is
nothing like Cold Fusion. Here at Val-Pak/Cox Target Media,
we use only two
tags in all our code: <%...%> and <usebean>. That's it. No
other tags are used.
The beauty of JSP (to me) is that it does inline Java. Java
is stable and well
supported, and what spec of JSP I'm using will not affect my
Java code. I know
this goes against some of the spec design and much of the
discussion on this
list, but the ability to inline Java, call db beans, and
packages that we can
download and/or purchase, is just amazing. The Java
programming is much faster
and easier to code than trying to build full servlets and
compile them, and yet
the speed is the same.
My main point, is, that at least to us, the next spec will
make zero difference
in anything we do here. We aren't going to have to recode
anything, we aren't
going to gain any functionality (because we already have the
full functionality
of Java), and it isn't going to get any more stable (haven't
had one case of
server crash, or any other instability since we installed
New Atlanta 3 months
ago.)
Hang in there, and don't worry about the future of JSP. As
long as Java has a
future, so does JSP.
Brian N. Burridge
Web Specialist
Val-Pak/Cox Target Media
Judd Salisbury wrote:
> It is almost the end of the first quarter and I believe
JavaSoft
> committed to have the spec completed. I have been using
JSP since July
> 1998 when the spec was in version .90 and call me naive
but I always
> thought the final spec was just another month or two away.
With each
> month that pasts it becomes harder and harder for me to
justify the use
> of JSP. I have in the past been a great supporter of JSP
in my
> organization and have developed hundreds of pages using
JSP, but I am
> losing my political strength to defend the use of JSP in
my
> organization. I hate to say it but if the spec does not
go gold in a
> week or two I will have to recommend to my company to
standardize on ASP
> instead. I can no longer afford to defend a specification
that can not
> seem to make it out of the .9 something category. Could
someone at
> JavaSoft confirm that they will not be going to be hitting
their own 1Q
> deadline. And an explanation of what is holding them. At
least then I
> could tell my employer why the JSP spec will not be done
by the first
> quarter as I said it would be.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Judd
>
>
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