Why don't those of you wondering how to keep convincing management to use
JSP contact the developers of the americancentury.com website. I can't
believe convincing a financial institution like American Century was a push
over, but they obviously were able to.
0.91 provides the basic functionality, and more. If companies can provide
servlet engines that support JSP at 0.91, and if these engines do the job,
then simply indicate 0.91 is basically a 1.0 and 1.0 will basically be a
1.1.
Let's not kid ourselves. Just because someone stamps a product 1.0 doesn't
mean it is perfect either. I want to see 1.0 just as much as everyone, but
the issue has been discussed a number of times previously, and SUN has
responded before that it will be mid-Spring. Complaining about that here
serves little purpose now. Why not contact them directly instead?
Dan
> ----------
> From: Hisham Shahtout[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Reply To: Hisham Shahtout
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 4:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: 1.0 Spec First Quarter?
>
> I agree with you. Sun better finalize the spec. soon. 1.0 does not have to
> be
> perfect, flexible
> or complete. Just provide the basic functionality so that developers can
> go their
> managers and
> convince them to use JSP instead of always bumping in the argument that
> JSP is
> not finalized
> yet!
>
> regards
> -Hisham
>
> Ben Engber wrote:
>
> > > There are at least three commercial implementations of JSP.
> JRun,
> > >ServletExec, and WebSphere. All three of them provide excellent
> support if
> > >there is a problem and rarely (not "usually") use the excuse that "it
> has
> > >not been finalized
> > > yet!" All three provide support for the 0.91 spec, and some
> (such
> > >as JRun) are providing 0.92 support as well. The implementations are
> robust
> > >and very usable. The JSP is portable between the platforms (as long as
> you
> > >stick to the 0.91 spec) The tech support from all three platforms is
> > >decent. It's not always great, but it's there.
> >
> > This may be true, but the response I get from Weblogic tech support is
> > always "We're not going to start supporting JSP until the 1.0 spec is
> out".
> > And GNUJSP will stay at 0.91 until the final spec is out. And Netscape
> > has (at times) given the same answer. Who knows what other vendors
> > (NetDynamics?) are doing?
> >
> > The fact of the matter is that virtually all application server vendors
> are
> > "committed" to supporting JSP, but few currently support it. And when
> it
> > comes down to making a decision on an appserver, current JSP support is
> not
> > going to be a primary criterion (instead will be issues like
> scalability,
> > failover, distributed computing model, etc).
> >
> > By delaying the 1.0 spec, Sun has kept major appserver vendors from
> > offering support, and kept developers from moving beyond the prototype
> stage.
> >
> > Hell, they could release 0.91 again and call it 1.0, I don't care. They
> > just need to release something.
> >
> > -Ben
> >
> >
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