Here's an interesting article I found at Oreilly's website that compares
J2EE with .NET in general:
http://java.oreilly.com/news/farley_0800.html
I found the article to be generally informative and avoids the 'heated'
rhetoric that often plagues discussions between Microsoft and non-Microsoft
technologies.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Makoviney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 5:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
Nice reply. . .thanks for the background and bio.
-Don Makoviney
-----Original Message-----
From: JSP Insider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
Good Morning Don,
I suppose I should answer this email since you asked me a pretty direct
question on my beliefs.
Hmm Am I Biased?
Let's see and examine this in more detail:
I have been programming ASP since it was first released over 3-4 years ago.
In fact I still programming in ASP today. I like ASP a lot. In fact ask any
of my co workers and they will say I am a fan and supporter of ASP. I have
successfully implemented many ASP sites. I still have recommended and am in
process of helping start up several new ASP projects.
Hmm. Ok. So far so good.
Now let's look at JSP
I started programming Java at the same time as ASP. And I have been
programming JSP for the past year. Again I like JSP alot and again ask any
of my co workers and they will say I am a fan and supporter of JSP. Again I
have sucessfully implemented JSP sites. Again I am in the middle of setting
up JSP projects. In fact I liked JSP enough to start up the JSPInsider web
site.
Hmm Ok still So far so good all things seem pretty equal.
So now I am forced to compare the two platforms BASED ON real expereinces of
using each. And I personally find JSP to be a better server side solution
most of the time. I am not saying ASP
is a bad solution It is great solution. Read what I have written and you
will find I am an ASP supporter. But in programming both ASP and JSP I have
found from practical experience that JSP is currently the stronger solution.
Program JSP for 6 months and then make your own decisions. Don't believe
what I say or what others write. In the end it is something you have to
decide for yourself.
THE TRUTH:
JSP isn't for everyone and ASP isn't for everyone.
THE SOLUTION
Use the solution that is right for you. I just believe and my experience as
it now stands JSP is the stronger of the two systems. In a year ASP+ might
be the stronger. But you must understand my judgements are based upon hard
and true and tried experiences. Killer specs means nothing to me, they are
just specs. I have to produce a product and I will use the one right for my
customer. So yes I suppose I am biased slighly in favor to JSP due to my
successful experiences, But isnt everyone biased?? Obviously you are
heavily biased towards ASP+ as I can tell from the strength of your feelings
in the email! Is this bad? No of course not, expecially if it gets the job
done. If you are living or breathing of course you will have your favorite
tool to use, based on the tools you are successful with. The real question
is are you open minded and can you be flexible to use the right tool for the
right Job!
KEEPING AN OPEN MIND
And in that I always have an open mind, that is why I build both ASP and JSP
web applications, because neither one is right for everyone. However, my
experiences and my currently perffered solution is JSP as it offers the most
maintainable and easiest to build reusable web solutions. NO amont of BETA
specs will change my mind in this since it doesn't count until production,
and this isn't a matter of being open minded but realistic. Anyone who
builds a house of cards on beta software deserves the house they build,
sometimes the gamble wins but more often the gamble loses. I hope your
programming path in ASP+ is as smooth as you state it will be. ASP+ is a
complete rewrite of the ASP rules and in this I reserve the right to have my
have doubts until it has in production for 6 months. Once it has been in
production for six months get back in contact with me and ask me how I feel
then and please share your experiences for I will be interesting in
comparing notes. However, after looking at ASP+ and still working with ASP
3.0 I have decided its too early to make solid informed choices regarding
ASP+ until it has been in production. Until then JSP 1.1 is my first choice
75% of the time and ASP 3.0 is my choice 25% of the time.
Finally I will also say this (and I have written this in my columns before)
The chances are ASP+ will live up to some of the hype. MS has too much at
stake for it not to work right. However, I am fairly
conservation in the use of technology, since I am responsible for building
systems for other people. And this means even though I think MS will deliver
quite a bit, I never build on Beta software unless I have no other choice.
ASP+ is still beta, JSP is here and now and offers what I need and that is
a very important fact in my support of JSP.
I know I mention JSP 1.2 , but the reality is that JSP 1.1 already has
everything I need and that is what drives my choice.
Have a great day.
Casey Kochmer
President, Amberjack Software LLC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.JSPInsider.com
>From: Don Makoviney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and
> reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:30:43 -0500
>
>Obviously you are biased in your decision, but in addition you obviously
>have not read too much about ASP.NET have you?
>
>JSP's one big argument (portability to other servers) is going to be blown
>away by ASP.NET
>
>Not only that, but you can program in ANY language in .NET - not just
>"their" C# or VB.NET, but Java and even COBOL if you want to. And you can
>program in any language equally as well - it doesn't treat non-native
>languages like second-class citizens.
>
>Try programming in JSP with something other than JAVA technologies. . . .
>.not that easy is it? It will be a piece of cake with ASP.NET.
>
>I don't think that JSP is going anywhere soon (meaning, JSP guys probably
>aren't going to be out looking for new jobs anytime soon). . . .but the new
>ASP.NET looks VERY promising.
>
>I'm busy today, but in a day or so I can post some pretty killer specs if
>you all like. . . .
>
>Don Makoviney
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: JSP Insider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:45 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
>
>
>HI Srinivas,
>
>I have written quite a bit on the differences between ASP and JSP which you
>can find at www.jspinsider.com.
>
>However, the reason I am responding is I wanted to add something additional
>to what can be found in the asp / jsp articles I have written
>
>I now feel as a general rule of thumb JSP should be your first choice over
>ASP unless you have a overriding business reason to use ASP.
>
>The reason: Tag libraries and JSP version 1.2 coming out in the future
>
>ASP has nothing like tag libraries and they add flexiblity and ease of
>maintenance you will never see in ASP.
>
>Also version 1.2 of JSP improves JSP to the point that I feel JSP is
>currently a stronger platform for server side development. Overall, I feel
>JSP offers a better solution for long term maintainance and ease of
>programming over ASP.
>
>Casey Kochmer
>President Amberjack Software LLC
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >From: "Srinivas K. R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and
> > reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Diff bet asp & jsp
> >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:58:12 +0530
> >
> >Hi
> >I am developing an Web application
> >I am in a confussion whether i use ASP or JSP.
> >I want to know the difference between ASP & JSP
> >and also tell me which technology is better and why?
> >
> >Cheers
> >Srinivas
> >
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