There is a great debate regarrding this very subject going on over at
ASPLISTS.com
http://www.asplists.com/asplists/debatejavavsnet.asp
I like this most recent post regarding .NET vs JAVA:
"It is really Java Language vs.
C# / VB.net / Smalltalk / Fujitsu Cobol / Perl / C++ interacting with
managed code
etc. Those languages will all ship in a couple of months, and that is
relevant... I remember when people called Microsoft's C++ compiler
vaporware and insisted their (now obsolete compilers) products were better
as they existed and MS C++ did not. I laughed. Vaporware is only an
argument for a brief time.
Microsoft bringing multiple languages against Java and not forgetting 5
million VB programmers and C++ programmers and involving dozen of other
vendors Java attempted to replace is a key part of the strategy. Languages
(like editors) have always been a religous choice. Sun attempted to replace
many languages people prefer with Java. Microsoft has a more sane "everyone
can play" strategy. They also seem to have the "cross platform" browser
support people wanted in Java. JSP is an afetrthought for SUN. ASP.net
cross-browser support is sophisticated.
Oracle, Sun and Apple always yell foul when someone fights/prices their way
to 95% market share with everyone playing and people they don't like
leading -- yet their plans are the purest MONOPOLIES ever -- they get to
keep all the money and customer service bites -- no free oracle service
packs for example -- they cost money. Java is Sun's way: IBM wants changes
-- nope! Microsoft wants better Intel/Windows support (which is 90% of the
PC customers) -- nope! They get a lawsuit.
Microsoft's "monopoly" has VB and VBA talking to hundreds of vendors
databases -- Access can make reports on ODBC/OLEDB datasources whereas
Oracle talks to hey Oracle data and JDBC gets very poor support unless on
of their favorite vendors is involved. Heck, Microsoft wrote the first
OLEDB driver for Oracle, but you wouldn't catch Oracle writing a driver to
integrate SQLserver. Sun wouldn't STOOP to supporting 90% of the world
running Intel and Windows. Because we should all switch to thin clients
with big servers."
The full thread is going on at:
http://www.asplists.com/asplists/debatejavavsnet.asp
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: M. Simms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 6:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
Dude - you must be quite popular with the girlies......
I wish I had that first name !
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hung Yee
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
>
>
> Here's an interesting article I found at Oreilly's website that compares
> J2EE with .NET in general:
> http://java.oreilly.com/news/farley_0800.html
>
> I found the article to be generally informative and avoids the 'heated'
> rhetoric that often plagues discussions between Microsoft and
> non-Microsoft
> technologies.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Makoviney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 5:52 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
>
>
> Nice reply. . .thanks for the background and bio.
>
> -Don Makoviney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JSP Insider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:42 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
>
>
>
> Good Morning Don,
>
> I suppose I should answer this email since you asked me a pretty direct
> question on my beliefs.
>
> Hmm Am I Biased?
>
> Let's see and examine this in more detail:
>
> I have been programming ASP since it was first released over 3-4
> years ago.
>
> In fact I still programming in ASP today. I like ASP a lot. In
> fact ask any
> of my co workers and they will say I am a fan and supporter of ASP. I have
> successfully implemented many ASP sites. I still have
> recommended and am in
>
> process of helping start up several new ASP projects.
>
> Hmm. Ok. So far so good.
>
> Now let's look at JSP
>
> I started programming Java at the same time as ASP. And I have been
> programming JSP for the past year. Again I like JSP alot and again ask any
> of my co workers and they will say I am a fan and supporter of
> JSP. Again I
> have sucessfully implemented JSP sites. Again I am in the middle
> of setting
> up JSP projects. In fact I liked JSP enough to start up the JSPInsider web
> site.
>
> Hmm Ok still So far so good all things seem pretty equal.
>
> So now I am forced to compare the two platforms BASED ON real
> expereinces of
>
> using each. And I personally find JSP to be a better server side solution
> most of the time. I am not saying ASP
> is a bad solution It is great solution. Read what I have written and you
> will find I am an ASP supporter. But in programming both ASP and
> JSP I have
> found from practical experience that JSP is currently the
> stronger solution.
>
> Program JSP for 6 months and then make your own decisions. Don't believe
> what I say or what others write. In the end it is something you have to
> decide for yourself.
>
> THE TRUTH:
> JSP isn't for everyone and ASP isn't for everyone.
>
> THE SOLUTION
> Use the solution that is right for you. I just believe and my
> experience as
> it now stands JSP is the stronger of the two systems. In a year ASP+ might
> be the stronger. But you must understand my judgements are based upon hard
> and true and tried experiences. Killer specs means nothing to me, they are
> just specs. I have to produce a product and I will use the one
> right for my
> customer. So yes I suppose I am biased slighly in favor to JSP due to my
> successful experiences, But isnt everyone biased?? Obviously you are
> heavily biased towards ASP+ as I can tell from the strength of
> your feelings
>
> in the email! Is this bad? No of course not, expecially if it gets the job
> done. If you are living or breathing of course you will have
> your favorite
> tool to use, based on the tools you are successful with. The real question
> is are you open minded and can you be flexible to use the right
> tool for the
>
> right Job!
>
> KEEPING AN OPEN MIND
> And in that I always have an open mind, that is why I build both
> ASP and JSP
>
> web applications, because neither one is right for everyone. However, my
> experiences and my currently perffered solution is JSP as it
> offers the most
>
> maintainable and easiest to build reusable web solutions. NO amont of BETA
> specs will change my mind in this since it doesn't count until production,
> and this isn't a matter of being open minded but realistic. Anyone who
> builds a house of cards on beta software deserves the house they build,
> sometimes the gamble wins but more often the gamble loses. I hope your
> programming path in ASP+ is as smooth as you state it will be. ASP+ is a
> complete rewrite of the ASP rules and in this I reserve the right
> to have my
>
> have doubts until it has in production for 6 months. Once it has been in
> production for six months get back in contact with me and ask me
> how I feel
> then and please share your experiences for I will be interesting in
> comparing notes. However, after looking at ASP+ and still working with ASP
> 3.0 I have decided its too early to make solid informed choices regarding
> ASP+ until it has been in production. Until then JSP 1.1 is my
> first choice
> 75% of the time and ASP 3.0 is my choice 25% of the time.
>
> Finally I will also say this (and I have written this in my
> columns before)
> The chances are ASP+ will live up to some of the hype. MS has too much at
> stake for it not to work right. However, I am fairly
> conservation in the use of technology, since I am responsible for building
> systems for other people. And this means even though I think MS
> will deliver
>
> quite a bit, I never build on Beta software unless I have no other choice.
> ASP+ is still beta, JSP is here and now and offers what I need
> and that is
> a very important fact in my support of JSP.
> I know I mention JSP 1.2 , but the reality is that JSP 1.1 already has
> everything I need and that is what drives my choice.
>
> Have a great day.
>
> Casey Kochmer
> President, Amberjack Software LLC
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.JSPInsider.com
>
> >From: Don Makoviney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and
>
> > reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
> >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:30:43 -0500
> >
> >Obviously you are biased in your decision, but in addition you obviously
> >have not read too much about ASP.NET have you?
> >
> >JSP's one big argument (portability to other servers) is going
> to be blown
> >away by ASP.NET
> >
> >Not only that, but you can program in ANY language in .NET - not just
> >"their" C# or VB.NET, but Java and even COBOL if you want to. And you can
> >program in any language equally as well - it doesn't treat non-native
> >languages like second-class citizens.
> >
> >Try programming in JSP with something other than JAVA technologies. . . .
> >.not that easy is it? It will be a piece of cake with ASP.NET.
> >
> >I don't think that JSP is going anywhere soon (meaning, JSP guys probably
> >aren't going to be out looking for new jobs anytime soon). . .
> .but the new
> >ASP.NET looks VERY promising.
> >
> >I'm busy today, but in a day or so I can post some pretty killer specs if
> >you all like. . . .
> >
> >Don Makoviney
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: JSP Insider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:45 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
> >
> >
> >HI Srinivas,
> >
> >I have written quite a bit on the differences between ASP and
> JSP which you
> >can find at www.jspinsider.com.
> >
> >However, the reason I am responding is I wanted to add something
> additional
> >to what can be found in the asp / jsp articles I have written
> >
> >I now feel as a general rule of thumb JSP should be your first
> choice over
> >ASP unless you have a overriding business reason to use ASP.
> >
> >The reason: Tag libraries and JSP version 1.2 coming out in the future
> >
> >ASP has nothing like tag libraries and they add flexiblity and ease of
> >maintenance you will never see in ASP.
> >
> >Also version 1.2 of JSP improves JSP to the point that I feel JSP is
> >currently a stronger platform for server side development.
> Overall, I feel
> >JSP offers a better solution for long term maintainance and ease of
> >programming over ASP.
> >
> >Casey Kochmer
> >President Amberjack Software LLC
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > >From: "Srinivas K. R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and
> > > reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Diff bet asp & jsp
> > >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:58:12 +0530
> > >
> > >Hi
> > >I am developing an Web application
> > >I am in a confussion whether i use ASP or JSP.
> > >I want to know the difference between ASP & JSP
> > >and also tell me which technology is better and why?
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > >Srinivas
> > >
> >
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