Dude - you must be quite popular with the girlies......
I wish I had that first name !
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hung Yee
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
>
>
> Here's an interesting article I found at Oreilly's website that compares
> J2EE with .NET in general:
> http://java.oreilly.com/news/farley_0800.html
>
> I found the article to be generally informative and avoids the 'heated'
> rhetoric that often plagues discussions between Microsoft and
> non-Microsoft
> technologies.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Makoviney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 5:52 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
>
>
> Nice reply. . .thanks for the background and bio.
>
> -Don Makoviney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JSP Insider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:42 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
>
>
>
> Good Morning Don,
>
> I suppose I should answer this email since you asked me a pretty direct
> question on my beliefs.
>
> Hmm Am I Biased?
>
> Let's see and examine this in more detail:
>
> I have been programming ASP since it was first released over 3-4
> years ago.
>
> In fact I still programming in ASP today. I like ASP a lot. In
> fact ask any
> of my co workers and they will say I am a fan and supporter of ASP. I have
> successfully implemented many ASP sites. I still have
> recommended and am in
>
> process of helping start up several new ASP projects.
>
> Hmm. Ok. So far so good.
>
> Now let's look at JSP
>
> I started programming Java at the same time as ASP. And I have been
> programming JSP for the past year. Again I like JSP alot and again ask any
> of my co workers and they will say I am a fan and supporter of
> JSP. Again I
> have sucessfully implemented JSP sites. Again I am in the middle
> of setting
> up JSP projects. In fact I liked JSP enough to start up the JSPInsider web
> site.
>
> Hmm Ok still So far so good all things seem pretty equal.
>
> So now I am forced to compare the two platforms BASED ON real
> expereinces of
>
> using each. And I personally find JSP to be a better server side solution
> most of the time. I am not saying ASP
> is a bad solution It is great solution. Read what I have written and you
> will find I am an ASP supporter. But in programming both ASP and
> JSP I have
> found from practical experience that JSP is currently the
> stronger solution.
>
> Program JSP for 6 months and then make your own decisions. Don't believe
> what I say or what others write. In the end it is something you have to
> decide for yourself.
>
> THE TRUTH:
> JSP isn't for everyone and ASP isn't for everyone.
>
> THE SOLUTION
> Use the solution that is right for you. I just believe and my
> experience as
> it now stands JSP is the stronger of the two systems. In a year ASP+ might
> be the stronger. But you must understand my judgements are based upon hard
> and true and tried experiences. Killer specs means nothing to me, they are
> just specs. I have to produce a product and I will use the one
> right for my
> customer. So yes I suppose I am biased slighly in favor to JSP due to my
> successful experiences, But isnt everyone biased?? Obviously you are
> heavily biased towards ASP+ as I can tell from the strength of
> your feelings
>
> in the email! Is this bad? No of course not, expecially if it gets the job
> done. If you are living or breathing of course you will have
> your favorite
> tool to use, based on the tools you are successful with. The real question
> is are you open minded and can you be flexible to use the right
> tool for the
>
> right Job!
>
> KEEPING AN OPEN MIND
> And in that I always have an open mind, that is why I build both
> ASP and JSP
>
> web applications, because neither one is right for everyone. However, my
> experiences and my currently perffered solution is JSP as it
> offers the most
>
> maintainable and easiest to build reusable web solutions. NO amont of BETA
> specs will change my mind in this since it doesn't count until production,
> and this isn't a matter of being open minded but realistic. Anyone who
> builds a house of cards on beta software deserves the house they build,
> sometimes the gamble wins but more often the gamble loses. I hope your
> programming path in ASP+ is as smooth as you state it will be. ASP+ is a
> complete rewrite of the ASP rules and in this I reserve the right
> to have my
>
> have doubts until it has in production for 6 months. Once it has been in
> production for six months get back in contact with me and ask me
> how I feel
> then and please share your experiences for I will be interesting in
> comparing notes. However, after looking at ASP+ and still working with ASP
> 3.0 I have decided its too early to make solid informed choices regarding
> ASP+ until it has been in production. Until then JSP 1.1 is my
> first choice
> 75% of the time and ASP 3.0 is my choice 25% of the time.
>
> Finally I will also say this (and I have written this in my
> columns before)
> The chances are ASP+ will live up to some of the hype. MS has too much at
> stake for it not to work right. However, I am fairly
> conservation in the use of technology, since I am responsible for building
> systems for other people. And this means even though I think MS
> will deliver
>
> quite a bit, I never build on Beta software unless I have no other choice.
> ASP+ is still beta, JSP is here and now and offers what I need
> and that is
> a very important fact in my support of JSP.
> I know I mention JSP 1.2 , but the reality is that JSP 1.1 already has
> everything I need and that is what drives my choice.
>
> Have a great day.
>
> Casey Kochmer
> President, Amberjack Software LLC
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.JSPInsider.com
>
> >From: Don Makoviney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and
>
> > reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
> >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:30:43 -0500
> >
> >Obviously you are biased in your decision, but in addition you obviously
> >have not read too much about ASP.NET have you?
> >
> >JSP's one big argument (portability to other servers) is going
> to be blown
> >away by ASP.NET
> >
> >Not only that, but you can program in ANY language in .NET - not just
> >"their" C# or VB.NET, but Java and even COBOL if you want to. And you can
> >program in any language equally as well - it doesn't treat non-native
> >languages like second-class citizens.
> >
> >Try programming in JSP with something other than JAVA technologies. . . .
> >.not that easy is it? It will be a piece of cake with ASP.NET.
> >
> >I don't think that JSP is going anywhere soon (meaning, JSP guys probably
> >aren't going to be out looking for new jobs anytime soon). . .
> .but the new
> >ASP.NET looks VERY promising.
> >
> >I'm busy today, but in a day or so I can post some pretty killer specs if
> >you all like. . . .
> >
> >Don Makoviney
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: JSP Insider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:45 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Diff bet asp & jsp
> >
> >
> >HI Srinivas,
> >
> >I have written quite a bit on the differences between ASP and
> JSP which you
> >can find at www.jspinsider.com.
> >
> >However, the reason I am responding is I wanted to add something
> additional
> >to what can be found in the asp / jsp articles I have written
> >
> >I now feel as a general rule of thumb JSP should be your first
> choice over
> >ASP unless you have a overriding business reason to use ASP.
> >
> >The reason: Tag libraries and JSP version 1.2 coming out in the future
> >
> >ASP has nothing like tag libraries and they add flexiblity and ease of
> >maintenance you will never see in ASP.
> >
> >Also version 1.2 of JSP improves JSP to the point that I feel JSP is
> >currently a stronger platform for server side development.
> Overall, I feel
> >JSP offers a better solution for long term maintainance and ease of
> >programming over ASP.
> >
> >Casey Kochmer
> >President Amberjack Software LLC
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > >From: "Srinivas K. R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and
> > > reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Diff bet asp & jsp
> > >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:58:12 +0530
> > >
> > >Hi
> > >I am developing an Web application
> > >I am in a confussion whether i use ASP or JSP.
> > >I want to know the difference between ASP & JSP
> > >and also tell me which technology is better and why?
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > >Srinivas
> > >
> >
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